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Re: America is on its last straw, "Obama Care"

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dddccx is not online. dddccx
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11 Jul 2012 11:37 PM
The Pres. needs to go. We, america, are 15,000,000,000,000(15 Trillion) in debt. The new "Health Care Bill" is a complete joke. This bill will destroy america! It's 2,000 pages! Yes 2,000 pages long! It has nothing to do with health care at all. It talks about things that explain about destroying america. It's insane! NEVER Vote for OBAMA, EVERY!
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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11 Jul 2012 11:40 PM
Excuse me, but what the fock do you think Obama Care is if you don't think it deals with health care?
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Raximus is not online. Raximus
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11 Jul 2012 11:51 PM
@MrConservative
he says it right here
"It talks about things that explain about destroying america. It's insane! NEVER Vote for OBAMA, EVERY! "
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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11 Jul 2012 11:59 PM
@MrConservative, then explain why the Patriot Act is not called Repeal the 5th Amendment Act.

Politicians deliberately name laws this way so you dont have to read them

They almost did that with Chris Christie when the General Assembly of New jersey passed a bill and named it something that would appeal to any politician, but he vetoed it.

Same thing with health care, people look at the title of the health care reform law and say "Oh, it must be a humanitarian act." So they accept it without reading it. Obviously due to the excess of pages, it is nearly impossible to read the whole thing and understand it.

Most of the law is amendments to other laws that have nothing to do with the healthcare law.

The law itself is too complicated for the ordinary person to read. Same thing with our current tax system. You can fill a library that would be the current tax system because it is so complicated. It used to be much more simple, only the size of a postcard, but now its thousands and thousands of pages long.

Overall this healthcare reform law is bad policy, bad principle, and does nothing that will benefit anyone except for the bureaucrats in Washington
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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12 Jul 2012 12:02 AM
What are you talking about, pepper0? Obama Care deals with health care... DUH! What kind of stupid implications just magically pop up in your head?
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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12 Jul 2012 12:04 AM
Im not saying that it doesn't, but you should always have that possibility open.
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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12 Jul 2012 12:06 AM
What? The possibility that Obama Care has nothing to do with Health Care? No... just, no...
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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12 Jul 2012 12:08 AM
You have to imply this to virtually everything. Your simply judging a book by its cover.

Just like my other example the Patriot act, well it completely unpatriotic.

By your logic, the title of anything has all the answers. You are now confronted with the Dead Cat in the Box theory.
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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12 Jul 2012 12:17 AM
I'm not talking about the title, you idiot. This has NOTHING to do with the title. Obama care DOES deal with Health Care and we should all know that by now. NOT because it's called "Obama Care", but because we have this thing called a brain.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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12 Jul 2012 05:38 AM
The Pres. needs to go. We, america, are 15,000,000,000,000(15 Trillion) in debt. The new "Health Care Bill" is a complete joke. This bill will destroy america! It's 2,000 pages! Yes 2,000 pages long! It has nothing to do with health care at all. It talks about things that explain about destroying america. It's insane! NEVER Vote for OBAMA, EVERY!


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Explain why a document means end of the world just because it is 2 000 pages long.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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12 Jul 2012 05:44 AM
@MrConservative, then explain why the Patriot Act is not called Repeal the 5th Amendment Act.

Politicians deliberately name laws this way so you dont have to read them

They almost did that with Chris Christie when the General Assembly of New jersey passed a bill and named it something that would appeal to any politician, but he vetoed it.

Same thing with health care, people look at the title of the health care reform law and say "Oh, it must be a humanitarian act." So they accept it without reading it. Obviously due to the excess of pages, it is nearly impossible to read the whole thing and understand it.

Most of the law is amendments to other laws that have nothing to do with the healthcare law.

The law itself is too complicated for the ordinary person to read. Same thing with our current tax system. You can fill a library that would be the current tax system because it is so complicated. It used to be much more simple, only the size of a postcard, but now its thousands and thousands of pages long.

Overall this healthcare reform law is bad policy, bad principle, and does nothing that will benefit anyone except for the bureaucrats in Washington


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Just because the law is long, doesn't mean there are simplified versions of it,

And just because you can't find the simplified versions of it, doesn't mean you can jump into conclusions.

What the law is trying to do is to prevent insurance companies from pissing on people while doing some other changes to the healthcare system.

99% of Obamacare is already in Europe and western Europe has much much better healthcare than USA does. Post commie Europe is lagging behind but Slovenia - A post-commie country is ahead of the USA in healthcare rankings, so it will not destroy the healthcare and will benefit people who are unfortunate enough to get denied by insurance companies.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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12 Jul 2012 08:34 AM
And you want America to go backward when it is already 10 years ahead of schedule? I'd call that treason.

America needs to be detached from Europe. America =/= Europe. America > Europe in everything. I;d suggest you visit America and Europe to see how much I am correct and your flat our wrong.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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12 Jul 2012 08:48 AM
America has crappier education and healthcare compared to europe.

That's why America needs to catch up to europe in heathcare.

Also America needs to redistribute money to education more efficiently.
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droid329 is not online. droid329
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12 Jul 2012 10:09 AM
Let's have it simply, Obamacare=Health Insurance

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Barbiturate is not online. Barbiturate
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12 Jul 2012 10:16 AM
I'd like to have a 2000 page book explaining Obama Care! Then I could smack Obama with it! Yipee!

~If we didn't ally with China, there wouldn't be anyone to make US flags stupid!
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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12 Jul 2012 10:19 AM
@Uganda

Explain then, why is American education the most envied in the world. Why is it that people all over the world come to America for its education.
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droid329 is not online. droid329
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12 Jul 2012 10:20 AM
Brosif, going to university is free in parts of europe.

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droid329 is not online. droid329
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12 Jul 2012 10:21 AM
You are all about removing the barriers to making money, but US universities have high fees so some poorer people can't afford to go to them.

[~DR9~]-Teh Epic One Hail/Droid
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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12 Jul 2012 11:07 AM
Do they have the best education? I think not.

Oklahoma , of all places, has better education than Switzerland
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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12 Jul 2012 12:30 PM
@Pepper

If the education system is so good eplain all the cuts in budget, drop-outs, "GED's" (which aren't 'good enough') and all the various jokes about the system

which really is too undisicplined and overall a joke untill you get to "fancy schmancy" universities
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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12 Jul 2012 03:53 PM
Explain then, why is American education the most envied in the world. Why is it that people all over the world come to America for its education.

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Colleges =/= education.

Education is much much worse.
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The0Arctic0Fox is not online. The0Arctic0Fox
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12 Jul 2012 03:56 PM
>just because it is 2 000

Many of Americans are incapable of reading anything more then lol cat captions.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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12 Jul 2012 03:58 PM
Oklahoma , of all places, has better education than Switzerland

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Even Cuba has been able to patch up a better education. USA is 21st and is lagging even behind some 3rd world countries, like Barbados. Not to mention that USA spends most money on student, so there is something wrong with the redistribution.

Your universities might be great, but your education system... not so much.
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BloodThirstyGuest is not online. BloodThirstyGuest
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12 Jul 2012 05:20 PM
Explain why a document means end of the world just because it is 2 000 pages long.
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You never read the other 1999 pages did you?

Nahhh you dont know anything in there olool!
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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13 Jul 2012 01:47 AM
derp.

That's why I read simplified versions of it. And know at least a bit what it is about.

And I am sure that just because it is 2000 pages long, it doesn't mean end of the world.
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