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Re: The Foolishness of ROBLOX

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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 08:32 AM
I'm making this post, not as a stupid rant, or a suggestion less fail, but to make a point, and a suggestion.
ROBLOX, has been degrading over the past year or two.
It wasn't sudden, it slowly got worse and worse.

TIME TRAVEL TIME! Everyone hop in to my TARDIS.
In '08, there was: NBC, BC.
BC had the ability to sell, more games, more income, no ads, the badge, the hat, and a nice relationship with the NBCs. BCers didn't have "BC-Only", and Gear all to them for them, and them only. That was the "golden" years of ROBLOX.
Now, it's degraded in to flame wars and rants, about "BRING BC GAMES BACK" and such. Why?
ROBLOX added TBC. I thought this was quite smart, a bit more for a bit more.
They didn't get anything farfetched, more places, more money, etc.
This is where things got bad. OBC, Bodys, BC-Only.
I felt this is the "turning" point from "Good ROBLOX" to "Current ROBLOX".
I didn't like the thought of OBC when it first came out, I thought "This isn't going to turn out well..." and look where it has driven us to.
The staff said on May 14th 2010:

"1.A selection of body parts *will* be available to all members at a future date (not just BC members)."
Don't believe me? See for yourself!
http://blog.roblox.com/page/47/

I keep seeing people that respond to suggestions that give NBC the SLIGHTEST THING, that are close to this "NBC get more things>People don't buy BC>ROBLOX loses all it's money>ROBLOX shuts down".
I keep seeing people that a SLIGHT decrease in O/T/BC means ROBLOX sinks.
Let's do some MATH.
NBCers see outside ads. BCers and up don't.
Let's say, for everytime a NBCer sees an ad, ROBLOX gets 1 cent.
1/100th of a USD. A penny. Single Cent.
There are hundreds of ads a NBCer sees every day. I'm looking at one at the top of my screen right now. So, let's say the NBC sees 100 ads. That's $1. THAT'S A 1/6 OF NORMAL BC. What if they play longer? Play a game or two? That's a penny everytime they play a game. What about the long forum posts? That have more than 10 ads on it? That's FAR more than a BCer would get ROBLOX. So, in one day, a NBC can earn ROBLOX a dollar. A BCer would make ROBLOX:($6/30). Which is, 20 cents a day. The SHEAR number of NBCers GREATLY outmatches O/T/BCers.
So, profits:
NBC > O/T/BC

BC started as a nice thing to have, and people bought it because they wanted the more things. Now, it's here because you have to have it to enjoy ROBLOX.
You can't make a group, you can't sell, you can't make badges, it goes on and on. ROBLOX is shoving the NBCers into a corner, and tempting them with false hopes.
I'm quite glad the BC-Only games were removed from the front page. Just scam auction houses and such.

THE BODIES, V3 BODIES. DON'T MAKE THEM. That's all I can say. This is ROBLOX. REMBER WHAT IT MEANS.

Quite a few times, you'll update without any second thought.
Sometimes, you'll let us vote, but, it’s like this:

Option1: Thing you don't want
Option 2: Thing you REALLY don't want
Option3: "Why this was even suggested, I don’t know!"

Give us a "Don't make any of these" button. I'd click it on V3, BC-Only, etc.

You're inactive on the forums. People go "They're busy solving reports and all".
Get some more staff. Posting on S&I, instead of "once in a blue moon", but more of "Often", will REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, help. It will reduce the posts of "Why are we even posting here? The mods don't look" and spam, as you're far more likely to see it.

I'd consider writing more, but as most people won't read past the third line, I won't.
NO TL; DR FOR YOU!
Before you go smashing your arms and face into the keyboard and saying "NO SUGGESTION HERE", I shall repeat my suggestions.

Stop being fools.
Get more mods on the forums.
Stop shoving the NBCers away, as they're most of the numbers you brag about and and say we have __ MILLION! Imagine how few that would be if that was in BC.
READ THE ENTIRE POST.
Don't post V3 bodies.
Allow a "We don't want this suggestion" button.
Give the NBC bodies, as you promised.


Hatsune Miku = Nyan Cat!

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tehpwner7067 is not online. tehpwner7067
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09 Jul 2012 08:56 AM
SSSSSSSSSUPPORT!!!!

~The Pwner has spoken!~
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ShadowL is not online. ShadowL
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09 Jul 2012 08:58 AM
>Allow a "We don't want this suggestion" button.

Group abuse-able.
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 09:01 AM
"Group abuse-able".
What.
How would it be ANY different from people going:
"WE WANT THIS! _______, NOT THIS ________"
Versus
"WE DON'T WANT EITHER OF THEM, ENTIRE GROUP DO SO!"

And thank you for posting about my entire thread, covering many topics, such as profits, bodies, updates, and such.


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ShadowL is not online. ShadowL
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09 Jul 2012 09:05 AM
Group shout (e.g): We don't want ___________! Press the 'We don't want this suggestion' button.

I have no opinion on the others.
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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09 Jul 2012 09:07 AM
@shadow
I'm sure bigger groups are all for certain things, but compared
to all the small groups against them, smaller groups win.
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TheAsassin is not online. TheAsassin
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09 Jul 2012 09:08 AM
"Alright, everyone, let's make these ODer 3.0 bodies!"
DO NOT WANT
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 09:10 AM
Shadow, did you not read what I just posted?
How would it be ANY different from the group going:
"Vote for ______!"? HOW?
Also, a group or two wouldn't make a huge difference. What? A thousand or two people voted?
It's no different from what they could do today with a ROBLOX servey.




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court2000 is not online. court2000
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09 Jul 2012 09:32 AM
Support,
Once I thought of it - NBC'ers are making more money than BC'ers.
My NBC friends play ROBLOX *lots*, as if 24/7!
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TruLulz is not online. TruLulz
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09 Jul 2012 09:42 AM
quit ranting.
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Alex4897 is not online. Alex4897
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09 Jul 2012 09:43 AM
You just based that ad example based off an assumption.

It's completely unrealistic, you have no idea how much ads are worth, and you don't know how roblox gets money for it. You also failed to take into account how much money BC could make in a day.

Assumptions =\= Reality

~~I'm derpy and I know it~~
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 09:47 AM
@Alex, I said it as an example. I know it's not 1 cent, it could be a varity of things.
BCers don't generate profit from advertisements.
Thank you for taking in to account, and posting about the rest of my thread too.


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Alex4897 is not online. Alex4897
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09 Jul 2012 09:50 AM
But you had the audacity to state "NBC > O/T/BC" as if it were fact.

~~I'm derpy and I know it~~
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09 Jul 2012 09:52 AM
Hehe
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Paramore2 is not online. Paramore2
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09 Jul 2012 10:46 AM
I didn't have to read this to know it would be a 'foolish' post.
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YuGiOhFanDude is not online. YuGiOhFanDude
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09 Jul 2012 10:55 AM
Haha, Read the What Not To Suggest.

I would agree, but I can't due to rules.
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Staplers10 is not online. Staplers10
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09 Jul 2012 11:00 AM
Roblox has made no progress what so ever after reading that post. I never even knew there was a relationship between BC and NBC. I say I'd support on everything since I have been on both the NBC and BC roles of Roblox. Long words short, if we reverse time, everything goes back to normal. Plus I read the entire thing, character for character. I know how you feel.
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 12:51 PM
@YuGi
How is it against the WNTS?

@Alex
It's within the example.
Think about ROBLOX with no NBCers.
They can't brag about all their numbers. ROBLOX would be small, less advanced, far behind.

@Para, you really need to read what I say. ALL OF IT.

I know you guys, I respect you to as, for the most part, you're some of the most logical people I know.
But really? You didn't even read the post. I spent the 10-15 minutes making this, revising this, spell checking, and reviewing it. The least you could do is read it.


I swear it's like ROBLOX wants NBC to quit, and the only people left a O/T/BC, and they keep buying it. "Crème de la crème". I understand how they're a company, and their purpose is to make money, but this is going TOO far. Their "packages", "RGC", and such to help ROBLOX is like trying to extinguish a fire with lighter fluid.
We've gotten to the point where ROBLOX is dead, and the only reason it's alive is because of life support. The life support being the fringes of ROBLOX attempts to keep it alive. See: RGC, OBC, BC-Only...
Most of my retorts would be reiterations. Read my post. DO IT NOW.

I can't stress this enough. ROBLOX, Staff, stop being fools.


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Paramore2 is not online. Paramore2
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09 Jul 2012 12:57 PM
"Stop being fools."

>They aren't.

"Get more mods on the forums."

>More money, which would result in ROBLOX needing more money, which would result in more BC Only features.

"Stop shoving the NBCers away, as they're most of the numbers you brag about and and say we have __ MILLION! Imagine how few that would be if that was in BC."

>NBC do't deserve anything, really. You're lucky we get to play for free.

"Don't post V3 bodies."

>They've already spent money on them, so why just throw them away?

"Allow a "We don't want this suggestion" button."

>Pointless. All the old Users wouldn't want it, because they hate ROBLOX advancing.

"Give the NBC bodies, as you promised."

>They did. They never said which bodies or how many.
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09 Jul 2012 12:58 PM
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09 Jul 2012 12:58 PM
This is a great suggestion I miss the '08 times :')
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09 Jul 2012 01:03 PM
SUPPORT!!!!
I miss '10.. It was fun.. :)
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 01:21 PM
Para, I respect your logic and your opinion. I shall retort with a fair, logical, and thoughtly thought our rebuttal.

They are fools. They stopped caring about the back bone of ROBLOX: the NBCers.
ROBLOX keeps bragging how "IT'S FREE", and "15 Millions Players" or so. This becoming false. While the removal of BC-Only Games on the front page were a large improvement, it wasn't complete.

"More money, which would result in ROBLOX needing more money, which would result in more BC Only features"
I'm cracking up at this.
You keep acting like ROBLOX is on the fringes of going bankrupt.
Hire an aide. A secretary. Anything to increase the showing of thy moderation on thy forums.
They didn't ask everyone about V3 bodies. It's "Ask a handful of people, CHARGE RIGHT AHEAD!".

The "we don't want this" button, is extremely important in my mind.
Which would you prefer:
All the Forums being OBC-Only, or all the games being OBC-Only?
Choose the forums, all the games are going to be filled with rants and such. Choose the games, all the forums are going to be filled with rants and such.
OR, we choose neither and it's all over.
"You're lucky we get to play for free".
We're*
Anyways, withour NBC, and ROBLOX was Pay-To-Play, ROBLOX would be NO WHERE.
The entire "Guest" option. Evidence #1.
Goes like this
Trys out Guest>Makes account>Buys BC.
Not, Buys BC to play.
ROBLOX would have at most, about 1,000,000 players. How many people do you think played for a year or two, THEN got BC?


I still suspect you didn't read my entire post.
"they hate ROBLOX advancing"
Devolving isn't Evolving.
The physics are horribly messed up. Last time I rembered, when you get thrown by a catapult, you go in an ARC, not in a vertical line going up.

Everyone is acting like NBC are worthless. That's like saying "Our spine is worthless." Without it, ROBLOX would an awkward mass of nothing. "We have a million or two players" "WE HAVE MORE THEN 15 MILLION PLAYERS". Which sounds more like a "one of dem bande-wageons"? What about ads? The sponsors? KRE-O? Which is more likely for a company to sponsor? A random company with no one, or a large company?
It costs about 3.5 MILLION USDs to have a THIRTY SECOND advertisement on the Super Bowl. Hows that?

I'm still face palm/desk/other material that is close by about "NBC do't deserve anything, really."
I just stated multiple things.
Multi-celled organisms > Single-celled organisms.
You can't have a small company, and expect large things.
I eagerly await your responce.


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Paramore2 is not online. Paramore2
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09 Jul 2012 01:25 PM
Still, NBC is a trial of ROBLOX, basically. ROBLOX is free, but adding on extra features cost money. Of course NBCers won't get many things, because we don't pay. Yes, we make up a large group, but that's because it is free. We don't deserve things for not contributing. It's a free game and will be for a very long time, but you have an option to pay for more things to do. It's only logical the way they do it. I'm done with arguing about this, because this is my last week on ROBLOX for several months and I don't feel like getting into a giant arguement. My mind is set and I frankly don't care if you agree or not.
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123456789o is not online. 123456789o
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09 Jul 2012 01:31 PM
"NBC is a trial"
"IT'S FREEEEEEE!"
Remind you of a... hmm... what was it? One of ROBLOX's sch- ADVERTISEMENT!
"not contributing."
*points to S&I, points to previous post, points at surveys, points at dozens of more things that NBC do.*
I've said before, I understand ROBLOX is a company, and they need to make money. Which is better: Persuasion, advertisment, etc., or forcing them to get it? Which are they going to appreciate?



I never felt like this was an argument, but more of a logical sharing of informantion and opinions. I see now.
I'd post more, but you wouldn't read it.


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