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Re: S&I - be based upon constructive criticism, not hate

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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 07:23 PM
Yes, this title does say S&I, yet it does not belong there. This isn't a suggestion towards improving Roblox, therefore it would not comply in the S&I Forum.

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A lot of people who dedicate a lot of their time in the S&I forum seem to believe that being a legitimate constructive critic is based upon hate. Why do I say that? Well if you haven't noticed, rejected ideas usually get the "Get out idiot" or just another form of a PERSONAL ATTACK REJECTION. (I am only assuming this, but that still doesn't mean it could be false.)

Constructive criticism is aimed towards the person's work, ideas, or creations. Not directly aimed at the person, so obviously calling someone names for their ideas wouldn't be a part of constructive criticism, and would also be a form of a PERSONAL ATTACK.

{If you dislike an idea, say "no support" and give your reasons, or just don't reply to the thread at all. Personally attacking the person making the suggestion or anyone else in the thread (saying things like "you're an idiot," "get out," etc) is not allowed.}

Many people like to think that not supporting with good reasoning is personal attacking, when it really isn't. If someone doesn't support based upon what they dislike/like, then there should be no chain to that reply, because it's less likely that someone would change their own opinions about certain things.

Basing a no support upon fact is a totally different story. That could include ideas that are unrealistic, or prohibited by Roblox. This can be debatable depending on who knows more, and doesn't need to be placed in a PERSONAL ATTACK form.

I.E.: "I think we should be able to change our name colours!"
This suggestion isn't unrealistic, and it isn't prohibited by Roblox either, so a support or no support would depend on someone's opinion.

I.E.: "Each year a veteran has played, they should earn 5 bux a day."
This is currently under the WNTS (What not to Suggest sticky thread) in the S&I forum, so simply stating that it is prohibited, would be okay. You shouldn't say "this is under the WNTS, so get out idiot."

{Don't be a jerk.
You’re welcome to disagree with another member’s opinion but attacking (flaming) and insulting another member is not acceptable. Intentionally starting flame wars WILL cause you to be banned for a while.

You can say "I disagree, and here is why". You can NOT say "I disagree and I think you suck". You can say "I do not like racing games". You can NOT say "This player has built a racing game and I hate it".

What is a personal attack? A personal attack is when you post about a Roblox player on the forum and talk about them in a negative way. This includes announcing that somebody scammed you, or that somebody is a hacker. DO NOT NAME NAMES. Linking to their profile is the same as naming their name.}

This rule (rule #5, find it in RT) explains that your reply should be about the suggestion and/or idea, and nothing else. That pretty much explains that.

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All I'm saying to you S&I forumers, is that criticizing ideas isn't about hate, even though your reply can be based upon what you like/dislike. (At least reason in a non-PA'ing way.)

My comments in here towards the rule is what I believe should be, and what I base my constructive criticism in S&I on. You don't have to believe this, especially since this is mostly my opinion, and not really stated by any administrator or moderator of Roblox.
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ben10ultimatealien is not online. ben10ultimatealien
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04 Jul 2012 07:50 PM
I clap,upon this.
~Aleezybaby0,Alex4897,Paramore2 [The bosses of S&I]
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:00 PM
Put my name in your siggy, lil' boy.

>:U
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shortPinman is not online. shortPinman
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04 Jul 2012 08:21 PM
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ben10ultimatealien is not online. ben10ultimatealien
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04 Jul 2012 08:25 PM
LOL ok
~{Would you like to update your siggy?] {Yes}.~ Aleezybaby0,Alex4897,MikkelDude,Court2000,Paramore2~ [Future admins of S&I]
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:27 PM
Future admin sounds real good.

(hands a thankyou cookie to ben)
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jeff1of1greatness is not online. jeff1of1greatness
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04 Jul 2012 08:29 PM
Read the whole thing, couldn't agree more.
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:38 PM
Thank you, thank you. :D
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04 Jul 2012 08:42 PM
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:45 PM
The paragraphs in the {}'s are not what I wrote, they are from the rules of the forum (rule 5 in the rules of the forum, a sticky in RT) and the "Do not attack others for their suggestion" sticky.
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:48 PM
"This rule (rule #5, find it in RT) explains that your reply should be about the suggestion and/or idea, and nothing else. That pretty much explains that."
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:49 PM
The rule 5 in RT, may not be directed to S&I, but when associated with it that's pretty much what it means.
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:50 PM
*correction- "what it can mean."
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04 Jul 2012 08:51 PM
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:53 PM
Well yeah, if I showed this to people who currently treat this as a hate habit, they'd either TL;DR it or find as many possibilities to contradict it.

Thanks for your support though. :D
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ConverseGirl121 is not online. ConverseGirl121
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04 Jul 2012 08:53 PM
I agree.I don't even want to suggest stuff because people would say "Get out"
or "The door is that way" "Read WNTS,idiot"

Just report when people are being rude.That should make them stop.
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:55 PM
Thank you for your agreement as well.
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MikkelDude is not online. MikkelDude
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04 Jul 2012 08:56 PM
Purple is my colour as well.

It doesn't bother me, because in my opinion I think.. well.. that it doesn't bother me.
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TonyK9000 is not online. TonyK9000
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05 Jul 2012 06:55 AM
Why are you playing mini-mod?! Gimme mah toy set >:P
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Swordism is not online. Swordism
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05 Jul 2012 07:53 AM
Agreed in full. I admit that I'm a little bit of a jerk to bad ideas.
But ben10, add cobalt10, virtualdarks, and recruitsoldier, pl0x?
-Torpedo17
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ben10ultimatealien is not online. ben10ultimatealien
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05 Jul 2012 08:04 AM
Name ONE post where I was a joke >:3
~Aleezybaby0,Alex4897,Paramore2,Court2000,Mikkeldude~ [Future admins of S&I]
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