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Re: USA plans to put 60% of its military st of China.

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:18 PM
The USA plans to remove troops from Afghanistan (because they lost to goat herders). So now the US feels China will be the next threat since China is a rising military power.

Good or bad idea?

Source: The Economist

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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:23 PM
Very good idea.
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VeryCruelGuest is not online. VeryCruelGuest
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06 Jul 2012 08:25 PM
Wow really?

How pointless.

China's supposed supper army that is only slightly larger then the U.S army cant even ove accrosd th pacific,
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VeryCruelGuest is not online. VeryCruelGuest
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06 Jul 2012 08:26 PM
Why is my copy pasted version full of spelling mistakes?

I had to copy paste due to a warning.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:29 PM
It's funny how they boast a potential army of 23 million.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:34 PM
>Everyone implies China would attack first.
Because we all know China wants to go into war with a trillion dollar trade partner.

Not entirely true VeryCruel.

Chinese military size- 4,585,000
USA military size- 2,927,754

That is still about a 1.5 million person difference.

China=Regional win
USA=International win

Basically China would win a defensive war, America would win in a Chinese aggression war.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:34 PM
@Dr,

You seem to be alarmed.

I guess you understand how superior the US Armed Forces are to anything.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:35 PM
Well sauske, China may not be able to train those people in time, but they definitely have the possibility to draft that.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:37 PM
Missile strikes and air superiority will balance that.

Let's also not forget about the neighboring India which can field an army jsut as big as China's.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:37 PM
>@Dr,

You seem to be alarmed.

I guess you understand how superior the US Armed Forces are to anything.
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Internationally they're supreme, regionally, not that amazing.

If goat herders could win a regional battle, a large military would more than likely win.

"The defender always has it easier, The invader needs to win battles, the defender just has to not lose."
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:38 PM
Tell me when China wins a geurilla war against hidden enemies.
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VeryCruelGuest is not online. VeryCruelGuest
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06 Jul 2012 08:41 PM
If goat herders could win a regional battle, a large military would more than likely win.
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China cant even beat taiwan...

Guerilla warfare always beats large armies.

U.S casualties are still minimal compared to the oppsition.

Must be 10 dead for every U.S soldier dead.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:42 PM
>Missile strikes and air superiority will balance that.
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Oh, just like Afghanistan? I give them the fact that if China invaded, America would bone them, but regional wise, it would probably go to China

>Let's also not forget about the neighboring India which can field an army jsut as big as China's.
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Iran, most of Africa(oil contracts), and Russia if was a Western invasion(if not, a slight Chinese backing, mainly choice words for America)
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:44 PM
>China cant even beat taiwan...
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Please state a modern invasion of Taiwan during the Chinese military rise

>Guerilla warfare always beats large armies.
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Exactly, and you are assuming that in deep threat China wouldn't think of Guerrilla warfare.

>U.S casualties are still minimal compared to the oppsition.
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Exactly, but America STILL LOST, if they leave, they still politically lost. Military wise no.

>Must be 10 dead for every U.S soldier dead.
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They....still....lost....
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:46 PM
>Tell me when China wins a geurilla war against hidden enemies.
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Name when America actually manages to beat North Korea.

>China cant even beat taiwan...
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America can't even beat Vietnam or North Korea.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:48 PM
Name when America actually manages to beat North Korea.
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What exactly would give us reason to attack NK and provoke China?


America can't even beat Vietnam
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We weren't fighting Vietnam. It's the same situation as in Afghanistan. Random insurgents jump out from groups of innocent civilians.


or North Korea.
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And when did the US fight North Korea?
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VeryCruelGuest is not online. VeryCruelGuest
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06 Jul 2012 08:48 PM
America can't even beat Vietnam or North Korea.
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The strategy for both was horrid.

Yet only 60 thousand died in vietnam compared to 2.5 million NVA

Vietnam... Take a hill then abandon it.

Korea dont push even when the north korean army is pathetic and decimated...

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:51 PM
>What exactly would give us reason to attack NK and provoke China?
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Putting 60% of your military directly next to China isn't provocative to even the slightest bit?

>We weren't fighting Vietnam. It's the same situation as in Afghanistan. Random insurgents jump out from groups of innocent civilians.
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Who says China won't have nationalist citizens who do the same thing? Look at the North Koreans, they're zealots to their nation and it has worse human rights problems than China.

>And when did the US fight North Korea?
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Korean war....
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 08:54 PM
Putting 60% of your military directly next to China isn't provocative to even the slightest bit?
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Challenging our authority in southeast asia and hacking us isn't provocative?


Who says China won't have nationalist citizens who do the same thing? Look at the North Koreans, they're zealots to their nation and it has worse human rights problems than China.
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You're contradicting yourself now.


Korean war....
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I believe that was a war between UN forces and Communist forces. And it ended with an armistice line, moron.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 08:55 PM
>The strategy for both was horrid.
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A strategy that is terrible, that was successful.


>Yet only 60 thousand died in vietnam compared to 2.5 million NVA
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Yes, but we still left. Basically a 10:1 ratio in Afghanistan, but the insurgents still won. It just shows the America military would be undoubtedly the greatest in the world, if it had political backing.


>Vietnam... Take a hill then abandon it.
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But somehow that tactic won against America.


>Korea dont push even when the north korean army is pathetic and decimated...
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Then China jumped in...
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06 Jul 2012 08:58 PM
But somehow that tactic won against America.
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That was the U.S tactic.

And undeniably the main source of casulties.

Ever heard of hamburger hill?
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06 Jul 2012 08:58 PM
>Challenging our authority in southeast asia and hacking us isn't provocative?
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Pointing out human rights violations and rattling China's chains isn't provocative either.


>You're contradicting yourself now.
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Oh please, I am asking which COUNTRY would win, not which ARMY would win.

>I believe that was a war between UN forces and Communist forces. And it ended with an armistice line, moron.
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Oh I am the moron when 95% of the 'UN' forces were America and when the 'communists' got involved it was all Chinese with Russian weapons. At least for assistance, I would insult you but I will not sink to your ideals of debating.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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06 Jul 2012 09:00 PM
>That was the U.S tactic.
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The US tactics were quite smart actually, it was just the military did not have civil or political backing. You need both on board if you want to win.

>And undeniably the main source of casulties.
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And zealot communist militias...

>Ever heard of hamburger hill?
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Yep.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Jul 2012 09:02 PM
Pointing out human rights violations and rattling China's chains isn't provocative either.
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Oh get over it. We treated the Chinese better than their own gov't does.


Oh please, I am asking which COUNTRY would win, not which ARMY would win.
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The united states would win.


Oh I am the moron when 95% of the 'UN' forces were America and when the 'communists' got involved it was all Chinese with Russian weapons. At least for assistance, I would insult you but I will not sink to your ideals of debating.
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It doesn't matter. That was how many years ago? 40? It's completely irrelevant to a modern war.
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VeryCruelGuest is not online. VeryCruelGuest
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06 Jul 2012 09:03 PM
The US tactics were quite smart actually, it was just the military did not have civil or political backing. You need both on board if you want to win.
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No it wasent...

They would take a hill and just abandon it...
Or napalm a jungle and hit nothing...

Johnson was an idiot and when nixon got in it was to late nobody supported the war anymore...
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