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| 06 Jul 2012 09:11 PM |
| Well Anarchy is basically, in its simplest form, anti-government. You can have Anarcho-Capitalism where business is kept in place but without governmental regulations. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:41 PM |
| That would be outrageously difficult to keep together. Ultimately, those businesses could fill the gap and form their own government. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:42 PM |
| Quite the opposite, that business is free, no more socialist driving since I know you're against that. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:45 PM |
You know, there are always those who want power. This is more of a power grab thing.
In order to have no government, you also have to get rid of the elite and anyone who holds a strong leadership position. Especially CEOs. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:47 PM |
| Well pepper I know this, but that is assuming that the employees have not already taken over this business, I am not saying I agree with it or think it should be used, but I am saying it is plausible. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:50 PM |
| Also, without government, you cant stop monopolies, so its the ultimate "Fight until the last man standing" scenario. Capitalism without government just kills the point of capitalism because competition is all wiped out by the one corporation that has all the influence and power. Kinda like the trusts back in the late 19th century. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 09:54 PM |
| Yes you can, it is called an assault rifle and well placed explosives. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:01 PM |
And why would I trust going into a store to buy something that has guns all over the place.
Say if the store had no guns, and the customer had one, why buy stuff when you can steal it.
The is a place for government, to protect the rights of the individual, property, and make sure nothing is gumming up the works of the free market.
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:03 PM |
| That is why those stores would cause new PMC business to be formed in order to protects said store. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:04 PM |
You know, I think you might be taking a lot of things for granted. Will our lives be any better under Anarchy? of course not. Our system we have now may not be perfect, but its not worth it to just throw it away.
There is a saying" Capitalism is the worst possible system except for all the others" This also can imply the rule of a republic. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:06 PM |
>You know, I think you might be taking a lot of things for granted. Will our lives be any better under Anarchy? of course not. Our system we have now may not be perfect, but its not worth it to just throw it away. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is more important, freedom or security?,"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither." -Ben Franklin |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:10 PM |
Freedom derp fish.
And what does Anarchy give? Tyranny! |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:15 PM |
| Not entirely true, see you are looking at EVERY single group of people being taken over by a tyrant in the worst scenario. Now you would have different kinds of government that form, democracy, dictatorship, fascist, communist, monarchy, and even republics. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:25 PM |
| Anarchy is not tyranny. I don't care if you agree or disagree, but anarchy is actually the purest, most undiluted form of freedom. If you have the means, you can do anything, regardless of what others think. Anarchy is freedom, anarchy entails freedom, but anarchy will only be beneficial once mankind advances beyond the selfishness that compels man to harm others for his own benefit. To say that we'll never reach this is self defeating, if we keep that mentality we'll only use it as an excuse not to reach that goal when it is well within our reach. Only when every man can say "I and my brethren are men because we are, not because others tell us so, not because of a government." |
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| 06 Jul 2012 10:48 PM |
| Cheese, I am doubting you know the actual definition of freedom. Under anarchy, your freedom is not defended. rather, you are restricted to do anything, or you will meet your demise. You always have to be up in arms against those against you, because movement is severely restrictive because you have to defend your property at all times. Thus you need a police system, you need to establish a rule of law how your freedoms are defended. Anarchy also gives people the freedom to take away your freedom. With the rule of law, your rights become unalienable. This is why our rights are mentioned in the Constitution. No law is allowed to be passed against them. With the supreme court, with some time, can take down the laws that can be interpreted as unconstitutional. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:21 PM |
Anarchy has no inherent restrictions, Government does. You defend your own damn freedom. I'm not saying it could even be pulled off right now, it might not even become truly possible until I'm six feet under, but it will be one day, it's just the most logical way for society to advance. I didn't say that people wouldn't abuse absolute freedom right now. I said it granted it.
You need to realize something. Laws are just laws, if someone wants to commit atrocities, they'll do it anyway. People steal regardless of the law, they murder regardless. Laws just give the cops the ability to go after them. If I get arrested for something eventually, the law against resisting arrest wouldn't stop me from running. The world is harsher and less safe then you seem to think it is. Your idea of the world seems to be one where everywhere else is garbage and America is a utopia. People commit crimes no matter what, so we need to change people, not laws. And people all over the world need to change. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:38 PM |
That is why we have laws! So those that commit those atrocities can be corrected through justice.
Without the law, there can be no justice. If you actually think that people need to change, then you have got to be the most naive person on the planet. You sir, advocating people to think the same way which is a far leftist or authoritarian thinking, are a total hypocrite. Contrary to anarchy. How do you make people think the same way? TOTAL GOVERNMENT. That is what Anarchy is, its a wormhole, if you will, that leads directly to authoritarian regime.
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People are arrested for crimes, because they violated the freedom of someone else. Clear and simple. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:41 PM |
Pepper, that statement was so wrong my brain can not even comprehend it. Anarchy does lead to government, JUST NOT ALWAYS AUTHORITARIAN!!!! It can be democratic, republic, totalitarian, communist, and it may stay anarchic.
Anarchy=/=Anomie |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:41 PM |
| So they get arrested, that doesn't somehow make their wrongdoings disappear. You seem to be looking at things through rose colored glasses here. I never said people all need to agree with me, I said people need to stop being selfish and become better to their fellow man. I said that anarchy was the next logical step in mankind's development, because if we become better people government will be redundant because we won't need it anymore. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:53 PM |
Anarchy? Mankind development? More like destruction. After all, Anarchy advocates chaos.
Your a hypocrite. a flip-flopper. a Romney. Going from side -to-side to gain allies rather than sticking to your key beliefs. It will lead to your demise.
The only way to keep the development of man kind is, keeping government limited to its proper role, respecting the rule of law, free-market economy, freedom of movement, and the freedom to think and speak.
I dont think you realize how precious and fragile freedom is, because your freedom can anger and make someone who disagrees with you may rage and can take away YOUR freedom.
The rule of law is the only thing that can protect you. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:56 PM |
Anarchy means people will have progressed and they will not need an overbearing leader.
Law does not protect you, it just punishes the one who hurt you.
The rule of law is the only thing that traps us. |
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| 06 Jul 2012 11:57 PM |
@Cane, WTF are you talking about?!
in EVERY CASE where there has been anarchy, has lead to totalitarianism.
It almost happened in America, during the Articles of Confederation, we where almost and anarchy. The government was ineffective and officers serving in the army nearly overthrew the government and wanted Washington to be the new dictator. But we didn't go into that direction.
Anarchy is nothing more than a VACUUM, where is is free to take by anyone.
it is a good thing, that Washington refused and let the Vacuum be filled with the rule of just law, and not one man with absolute rule. |
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