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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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28 Jun 2012 03:35 PM
THAT YOU CAN MAKE HEALTHCARE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY? ITS THE MOST SENSIBLE THING TO DO! PRIVATE FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT, PUBLIC FOR THOSE WHO CANT! SIMPLE!

~Just a female businesswoman
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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28 Jun 2012 03:35 PM
Err, thanks?
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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29 Jun 2012 12:33 AM
Or just make healthcare free and universal for everyone.

(umad?)
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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29 Jun 2012 12:34 AM
Because that creates intertwining issues. They put more thought into this than you.
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sinii is not online. sinii
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29 Jun 2012 12:43 AM
If universal healthcare exists in your country, you'll still have to pay for it. I mean how else is it going to be paid for if only people with no money go there??!
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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29 Jun 2012 12:45 AM
@Sinii

But how is it any different than Private healthcare if you have to pay taxes anyways?
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MrConservative is not online. MrConservative
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29 Jun 2012 12:46 AM
Either way, you have to pay. Deal with it.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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29 Jun 2012 02:30 AM
But in universal, people get it when they need it. Deal with it.
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eaglemaneagle is not online. eaglemaneagle
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29 Jun 2012 08:59 AM
Yea good idea make healthcare free and the gouvernment will pay the doctors just like the gouvernment pays the police and firemen
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eaglemaneagle is not online. eaglemaneagle
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29 Jun 2012 09:01 AM
But we kinda do pay, we pay taxes, and our taxes go to the gouvernment
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IamLibyan is not online. IamLibyan
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29 Jun 2012 10:07 AM
Obamacare is a series of laws that prevent insurance companies from exploiting loopholes in order to avoid paying out benefits, and a system that fines people for not having health insurance (excluding the poor and people with religious objections to health insurance).
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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29 Jun 2012 10:09 AM
@Liby

Why fine people for not having health insurance?

~Just a female businesswoman
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IamLibyan is not online. IamLibyan
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29 Jun 2012 10:14 AM
So you don't have to pay 40 000$ (pay of surgery etc) after a sudden crash, and cause massive bureaucracy problems with doctors and hospitals
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IamLibyan is not online. IamLibyan
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29 Jun 2012 10:15 AM
Thepit, its just good thing. Btw, Romney wants to repeal Obamacare and impose Romneycare, which is basically the same thing...


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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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29 Jun 2012 10:21 AM
But forcing people to buy insurance wont fix it. If you fine people for not having it, they will end up paying more since they have to pay the fine too which is unfair. The government should encourage it, but not force it. What happens to somebody who never has any more than the flu in 50 years? Although it is unlikely, it is possible, and that is a waste of insurance. Not to mention it only insures you for lifetime which even middle-class americans can not afford alot of the time.

Also, Romney doesnt want to impose Romneycare, that was only in Massachussets which is a small, rich, state.

~Just a female businesswomand
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IamLibyan is not online. IamLibyan
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29 Jun 2012 10:28 AM
But forcing people to buy insurance wont fix it. If you fine people for not having it, they will end up paying more since they have to pay the fine too which is unfair.
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The fine is just so people buy the insurance, nothing wrong here. You buy it if you have money, the nation helps you if you don't. Simple as that.





The government should encourage it, but not force it.
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They don't force you, but if you don't buy then pay the fine. There's nothing wrong in this.


What happens to somebody who never has any more than the flu in 50 years? Although it is unlikely, it is possible, and that is a waste of insurance.
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Give me statistics. You keep making up these things.
"costs too much" , "waste of insurance"

Nothing is waste in the wellbeing of the people. See Israel's system, see Canada's.




Not to mention it only insures you for lifetime which even middle-class americans can not afford alot of the time.
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You cannot afford it? Government helps you.



Also, Romney doesnt want to impose Romneycare, that was only in Massachussets which is a small, rich, state.
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He wants to put another healthcare system thats just slightly different.
mittromney.com/issues/health-care
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Yobobo10 is not online. Yobobo10
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29 Jun 2012 10:34 AM
Obamacare is private and public at the same time; universal healthcare (which Obamacare most certainly isn't) still retains private health care if you wish. Universal healthcare is for where you want to get better with the (in the whole context of things) low contributions you make to it; if you want something else' go have it private. You fail to understand that and many governments fail to retain it.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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29 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
The fine is just so people buy the insurance, nothing wrong here. You buy it if you have money, the nation helps you if you don't. Simple as that.
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That is just stealing your money.

They don't force you, but if you don't buy then pay the fine. There's nothing wrong in this.
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People should not get a punishment for not buying something they dont need. Its like punishing a child for not buying BC with the money he got for his birthday. Its his to spend, not the governments or his parents.

Give me statistics. You keep making up these things.
"costs too much" , "waste of insurance"
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It is a wast of insurance to if it never gets used. People dont want to buy it, that is their own problem and they are stupid, but again, the government should not force you.

Nothing is waste in the wellbeing of the people. See Israel's system, see Canada's.
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If people can afford health insurance, they can take care of themselves, they dont need the government forcing it.

You cannot afford it? Government helps you.
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I dont feel like explaining this again and why there is a better way.


To your site, Ill read it later.

~Just a female businesswoman
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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29 Jun 2012 10:55 AM
But forcing people to buy insurance wont fix it. If you fine people for not having it, they will end up paying more since they have to pay the fine too which is unfair. The government should encourage it, but not force it. What happens to somebody who never has any more than the flu in 50 years? Although it is unlikely, it is possible, and that is a waste of insurance. Not to mention it only insures you for lifetime which even middle-class americans can not afford alot of the time.

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The reason why Obamacare forces people to buy insurance is so they will not abuse my flying Ugandan Australia out of it.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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29 Jun 2012 10:57 AM
Thats why the Supreme Court declared it a Tax.

No one likes more taxes, so now it can be handed the death sentence.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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29 Jun 2012 11:01 AM
That is just stealing your money.

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What was before was stealing health.

Health > Money

OBJECTION OVERRULED!

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People should not get a punishment for not buying something they dont need. Its like punishing a child for not buying BC with the money he got for his birthday. Its his to spend, not the governments or his parents.

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You fail to realise that without this tax, Obamacare would be broken, and without Obamacare, insurance companies can still piss on the poor.

Thank you.

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It is a wast of insurance to if it never gets used. People dont want to buy it, that is their own problem and they are stupid, but again, the government should not force you.

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Again, if this law wasn't at charge, Obamacare would be broken, and without Obamacare, insurance companies can still piss on the poor.

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If people can afford health insurance, they can take care of themselves, they dont need the government forcing it.

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And what if people can't? Also, what if people are denied getting that insurance, that can happen without obamacare, and that is possible.

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I dont feel like explaining this again and why there is a better way.

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I don't feel like doing it either.

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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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29 Jun 2012 11:03 AM
Thats why the Supreme Court declared it a Tax.

No one likes more taxes, so now it can be handed the death sentence.

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Then ban the tax that you get contrapted from you to the army, firemen, police officers and lawyers so we get a totally crappy country that is not worth living in.

Your logic.
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LawyerCarc is not online. LawyerCarc
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29 Jun 2012 12:35 PM
"Or just make healthcare free and universal for everyone."

Lolk

look at Canada, 'nuff said.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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29 Jun 2012 12:41 PM
Canada = small and big enough to be unpopular.

USA= Very big and will not work because of its size.

As a population grows so does its diversity. The needs of a population changes. I visited Canada, they said their universal healthcare is unpopular and stupid.

in Norway, it is popular because of how small the country is.

the US is to diverse for socialized healthcare to work. Our culture is the free market. Nothing more.
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Rukiryo is not online. Rukiryo
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29 Jun 2012 01:04 PM
Canada is not small and unpopular. Kid, you REALLY need to understand, that you are just a kid, and don't get how this works. In Canada, the healthcare is free, however it is paid with taxes. Now, assuming you know what linear equations are, even if Canada got bigger, we would then have more money. Also, if you are going to be one of those kids that has no idea what they're talking about, here's the thing. The USA has been outmatched by Canada countless times.
War of 1812:
Was actually a tie, but in US schools it is taught that the Americans won. That is censorship.
Avro Arrow:
A plane developed in Canada, that was 20 years ahead of its time, the USA had us cancel it because they were jealous.

The USA is a great place, but don't turn into one of those kids that thinks that the USA is the best and everyone else sucks.
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