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Re: WIJ - Not Creating New Ranks Until Proven Useful

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SilentSwords is online. SilentSwords
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29 Jun 2012 08:47 AM
With the recent update regarding the possibility of adding 10 new ranks, a lot of clans have already filled all these positions. I don't think this is a very smart thing to do, as many clans don't change their rank roles but do add more ranks, which turns out very badly for the lower ranked people who have to go through 100% more ranks now, with less high rank to be guided with. And I can also imagine that it is a pain for higher ranks.

What I want to do is seek your opinions, check out the possibilities and let me know what your ideas are. I'm not saying that I'm going to take your idea and implement it right away, no, it's for the WIJ HICOM to see what the possibilities are. And you can help with that.

WIJ is not going to use all 10 new ranks. I'm thinking maybe 1 or 2 new ranks at most (or none at all). Where should they be used? Lower ranks? High ranks? Inbetween ranks?

Give us your ideas!

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PS: As I've said before, we might not add any new ranks, it depends.
PPS: There won't be any 'branch' ranks or 'tier' ranks (ie Operative Grade 2) or 'special' ranks (ie Operative Supreme) so do not suggest those.
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AlexR1212 is not online. AlexR1212
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29 Jun 2012 08:49 AM
More inbetween ranks.

I thought it felt right, but that right was wrong.
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Schet is not online. Schet
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29 Jun 2012 08:49 AM
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29 Jun 2012 08:50 AM
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cashpop is not online. cashpop
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29 Jun 2012 08:51 AM
More ranks for the lower ranks. They need to be shown some love!
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AmazingAnt is not online. AmazingAnt
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29 Jun 2012 08:52 AM
SilentSwords,
> "WIJ is not going to use all 10 new ranks. I'm thinking maybe 1 or 2 new ranks at most"

Exactly what I said on a thread earlier. Most of those 10 new ranks aren't even needed.

I do believe, however, that there needs to be a rank between either Operative and Corporal or Corporal and Sergeant. I don't have any suggestions for what that rank would be but from experience that's what I feel is needed.
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DistrictSwag is not online. DistrictSwag
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29 Jun 2012 08:52 AM
Add more "Tier Three" Ranks that are apparently un-obtainable just to trololol people

im a rainbow bandit
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BAUER102 is not online. BAUER102
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29 Jun 2012 08:52 AM
Perhaps an advanced officer rank below Colonel, but not a member of the HICOM?

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RisingPhoenixKing is not online. RisingPhoenixKing
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29 Jun 2012 08:52 AM
FOR GODS SAKES ADD ONE BETWEEN SERG AND CORP!!!

a 20 cp one
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kaelan01 is not online. kaelan01
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29 Jun 2012 08:53 AM
For your promotion system, it would be very annoying.

It's generally hard to get promoted in WIJ, as it should be. But, in some clans, it's easy to get promoted, and I think to clans like that the new ranks would be useful.
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SilentSwords is online. SilentSwords
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29 Jun 2012 08:53 AM
Names for ranks would be appreciated as well :)

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BAUER102 is not online. BAUER102
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29 Jun 2012 08:54 AM
Captain would be a quite good name for the advanced Officer rank.
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Daugion is not online. Daugion
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29 Jun 2012 08:54 AM
If we were to create new ranks, I'd say a rank between Corporal and Sergeant, giving that rank the ability to command, or be second in command under a Sergeant. I feel this is a good idea, because many Sergeants don't learn to command until a month or two into their rank.
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FlamePrince is not online. FlamePrince
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29 Jun 2012 08:55 AM
TGI just claimed ourselves in a comfortable position.
We got "Initiate" back, which initially allows us to bring back the TGI obby.
We got "Overlord" (Second + Third in Command, Doom + Crak)
And we got "Harbinger", a single NCO rank, for filtering and simply making ranking up a challenge.
Lastly, we have "Commandant", one more CO rank, since there is nothing more uncomfortable then sitting at Commissar forever, because you're not good enough to make it to Field Marshal, just yet.

I would suggest adding just that. Make one more CO rank, a rank to honor your 2iC/3iC (If you have one?) and an NCO rank.

This update, in my eyes, just allowed RAT to completely abolish Vindicators, and incorporate it's idea into the main group.

For OTHER groups, it'll just be more ranks to filter out the impatient and unloyal.
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logman79 is not online. logman79
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29 Jun 2012 08:56 AM
As an ex-sergeant, there should be a rank between SGT. And officer. That way the inactive sergeants will stay sergeant and the active ones will be one little step above them. Just a thought.
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enes130 is not online. enes130
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29 Jun 2012 08:56 AM
If you ask me i would add more higher ranks. Because i think that the officers now are little bit ehhh.... down on rights.

And make official squads :-P

-enes130 (the best)
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AmazingAnt is not online. AmazingAnt
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29 Jun 2012 08:58 AM
"If you ask me i would add more higher ranks. Because i think that the officers now are little bit ehhh.... down on rights."

I would say the opposite, there are already three high ranks (and Marshal). It seems that many of the responses on here are for a rank between Corporal and Sergeant.
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AdvorsusDuo is not online. AdvorsusDuo
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29 Jun 2012 08:59 AM
I think we should add a "Recruit" rank or something of that sort.

Because WIJ is open to anyone, we can't really trust every single Trooper we have. We should have a "Recruit" rank or it can be named something different, for the purpose of identifying a new WIJian as untrained, or untrusted. This doesn't mean that every Trooper/new WIJian is untrained and untrusted. If a new "Recruit" were to prove their loyalty or skill to an Officer+ then they'd be promoted to Trooper.

Advancement from Recruit to Trooper would not require any cP, but Recruits wouldn't have career profiles until they are recognized for their loyalty. Advancement to Trooper would be fairly easy, but would require effort, such as if a recruit were to participate in a full WIJ training (hosted by an Officer+) they would be promoted to Trooper and their career profile would be created.

Good idea?

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Promentory is not online. Promentory
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29 Jun 2012 08:59 AM
LORDORKY was talking about some form of "Sentinel" rank, which goes after Sergeant. As he said [off memory], Officers select Sergeants they wish to become this rank, then put them through some tests and whatnot. He had a better understanding than me.

-J
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Lissitski is not online. Lissitski
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29 Jun 2012 09:00 AM
I only added on extra rank in my clan for now: Queen.

Anyway..

Hm...Major? Captain? Some rank between Officer and Colonel?

Or...General between Brigadier and Marshal? (Actually, that's pointless, but it would make some sort of sense, although Brigadier probably acts as the rank for the 3iC, 4iC, 5iC..)

There could be a "Viridian Ambassador" rank, for Ambassadors from the Viridian Alliance...




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Daugion is not online. Daugion
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29 Jun 2012 09:00 AM
I would be in support of a new HR, such as an advanced Officer position that is perhaps given limited access to High Command information, or is given the information, but is more of an observer than a contributer. A possible name being "Major", or "Captain". My only concern is that this may make the Colonel rank more difficult to reach, and may end up lacking in numbers.
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SilentSwords is online. SilentSwords
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29 Jun 2012 09:00 AM
Viridian has no ambassadors except for its members ;p

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AdvorsusDuo is not online. AdvorsusDuo
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29 Jun 2012 09:02 AM
@Daugion

We already have only a couple of high ranks, excluding the Officers. Another high rank position would mean that we'd need to boost the promotions.

But at the same time, another high rank position would ease the trafficking of so many Officers, but only 4 Colonels.

Good idea.

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Lissitski is not online. Lissitski
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29 Jun 2012 09:02 AM
Then a HR that could be between "Officer" and "Colonel", since "Officer" isn't a proper military rank, but a designation of all ranks above Lieutenant.

Or if the rank for the 3iC, 4iC and 5iC becomes General, and so Brigadier is more accessible, for the WIJ members who are 6iC, 7iC, 8iC, 9iC and 10iC.
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David9121 is not online. David9121
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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29 Jun 2012 09:03 AM
I think the ranking system is working fine just the way it is right now. If there was to be 1 rank added I would think adding it between Sergeant and Officer. It could be called a lieutenant (I think thats how you spell it. idk). Lieutenant can be similar to an officer but they need some work.
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