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Re: Liberals and others are too obsessed with "Free Speech"

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MyLittlePutty is not online. MyLittlePutty
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27 Jun 2012 11:28 AM
Why should we award free speech to N.e.o N.a.z.i.s, or even the Westboro Baptist Church?


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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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27 Jun 2012 11:34 AM
Wrong! Liberals try to silence people like WBC or NeoN's while Conservatives want them to have free speech. Anyways, everyone has the right to speeek what they like because that is a huge part of freedom. I just think there should be two limits:

1. Do not lie
2. Do not promote criminal activity

Otherwise, say what you like!

~Just a female businesswoman
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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27 Jun 2012 11:38 AM
I think hate speech shouldn't be allowed, but otherwise, say whatever you want!
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sinii is not online. sinii
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27 Jun 2012 11:40 AM
"1. Do not lie"

You can't change that. We all lie on average about four times a day. And most of the time, no one notices.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 11:43 AM
BysLCCLdWKA


This is why
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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27 Jun 2012 11:45 AM
But you lie on a daily basis!

You cannot just outlaw lying!

Outlawing hate speech, on the other hand...
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Yobobo10 is not online. Yobobo10
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27 Jun 2012 11:48 AM
"Wrong! Liberals try to silence people like WBC or NeoN's while Conservatives want them to have free speech. Anyways, everyone has the right to speeek what they like because that is a huge part of freedom. I just think there should be two limits:
Do not lie
Do not promote criminal activity"

Massive contradiction.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 11:50 AM
xhZk8ronces

Another reason for Free Speech is available for all.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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27 Jun 2012 11:58 AM
Outlawing hate speech is dangerous for society. Not to mention it takes away freedom of opinion. For example, if somebody says they hate Jews, they are an idiot, but it should not be banned! I am a Jew, if somebody says the hate me for being Jewish, fine witht hem. Its their loss.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 12:00 PM
Freedom is sometimes going to be ugly.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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27 Jun 2012 12:04 PM
You also have to define hate speech.

For example, telling somebody to go kill Muslims is obviously hate speech, and is promoting criminal activity which should be banned. Meanwhile, is saying that 9/11 was caused by Muslim terrorists hate speech? You need to define the line. But once you limit one thing, you will want to limit more and more until there is nothing left to limit. Then you end up with Thought Police.

~Just a female businesswoman
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 12:05 PM
ThePitt has got this.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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27 Jun 2012 12:14 PM
Hate speech is a kind of speech that promotes hate upon a race, ethnicity, religion, saxuality or a political ideology.

If you simply say that "muslims did 9/11" it is not hate speech, but if you say "muslims did 9/11, and that is why they should be murdered/jailed/enslaved" then that is hate speech.

Simply put, you can say the truth, but you cannot use it as an excuse to kill/jail/enslave an entire group of people that is mostly innocent.

I am pretty sure you should outlaw lying when it is purposely used for the purpose of propaganda, same with half-truths.
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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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27 Jun 2012 12:17 PM
Also, outlawing hate speech isn't dangerous to society. Allowing free speech is dangerous to the society AND to the world.
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Candymaniac is not online. Candymaniac
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27 Jun 2012 12:20 PM
"muslims did 9/11" it is not hate speech"

Stereotyping people does not mean hate speech?

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UgandaBestCountry is not online. UgandaBestCountry
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27 Jun 2012 12:23 PM
When you are just stereotyping them, then no, it is not serious hate speech, if you want to justify by that murdering/jailing/enslaving of them, it is serious hate speech and should be acted upon.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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27 Jun 2012 12:27 PM
murdered/jailed/enslaved
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But again, this is promoting criminal activity such as murder or false imprisonment. You need a more clear vision of what it is which doesnt promote criminal activity.

~Just a female businesswoman
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sil4nc3r1223 is not online. sil4nc3r1223
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27 Jun 2012 12:44 PM
There should be no such thing as free speech.
I am tired of extremist groups hiding behind the concept of free speech while screaming racist and bigot slurs. When they get confronted, they will try to act like a victim. Time and time again, liberals have stressed the importance of Free Speech. What importance? If Free speech is to be used maliciously, then why should it be used at all?
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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27 Jun 2012 12:47 PM
@Sil4ncer

Because Freedom of speech is why society gets somewhere. If somebody has an idea, they can say it. places without freedom of speech turn out like Syria.

~Just a female businesswoman
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sil4nc3r1223 is not online. sil4nc3r1223
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27 Jun 2012 12:50 PM
No. Freedom of Speech is misused too often. The public doesn't know what is right and what is wrong. They are ignorant and foolish, and malicious people use this beloved freedom of speech to snare them in their trap.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 12:51 PM
Freedom of Speech is natural. It is what makes us all individuals.
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sinii is not online. sinii
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27 Jun 2012 12:52 PM
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Why would anyone take hate speech so seriously?
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sil4nc3r1223 is not online. sil4nc3r1223
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27 Jun 2012 12:54 PM
^^
Because hate speech can do a lot.
We have all seen what happened to Jews in Germany. All the Nazs needed was a few speeches.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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27 Jun 2012 12:56 PM
@sil4nc3r1223



The great achievements of civilization has come from those that took the initiative to speak out their opinion.

The only societies that are worse off, are those that departs from that.

Where do you find these angels that are going to organize society for us?
Well, I dont even trust you to do that.
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sinii is not online. sinii
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27 Jun 2012 12:56 PM
So, if I say that I hate USA, would Americans die?
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