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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
Joined: 21 May 2011
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30 May 2012 08:05 PM
For you Lua newbies out there... Try LuaLearners to learn.... I find it very easy and helpful.

To you scripters, what do you guys think of LuaLearners?
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FPShooter319 is not online. FPShooter319
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30 May 2012 08:09 PM
It's a waste of time.

Why might you ask?

Well, I have a good reason. Most scripting group's, don't actually help you, they just answer a couple question and then your done. With the whole group. Scripting Helpers, is Lua Learner's, but without taking a slot of your Groups away, along with the Wiki. The Wiki is always (99%) better then any Lua group. Why? Because in order to gain entrance to become a Wiki writer, you must be selected. But by whom? Well, from the big dude with a Hammer, yes MrDoomBringer. He has a annually (Yearly) selection of good coders. You must provide examples and work to prove you are good at coding. Trust me, I don't think they help much. :\

MrMcAero
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 08:10 PM
I found the wiki to be hard, since they used a lot of terms I didn't understand even in the absolute beginners guide, so I learned from LuaLearners, the website, not the group.

The website has some great tutorials.
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FPShooter319 is not online. FPShooter319
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30 May 2012 08:12 PM
True...

The Wiki was hard for me at first, I had no clue to what they were talking about as to game, and :GetService() and all, but when I opened Studio I understood. Another thing that's helpful is knowing the hierarchy of an Object.

MrMcAero
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darkkiller5555 is not online. darkkiller5555
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30 May 2012 08:14 PM
I prefer Scripting Helpers actually..
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 08:23 PM
If you think the wiki uses complicated terms, it's because you're on the wrong page.

Not all pages are meant to be read by beginners. But pages that are meant for beginners aren't hard to understand for beginners.

Also, if you don't understand a term, you can ask its signification here. That's the purpose of this forum. You don't understand something? Ask for help here! This forum isn't only to get help debugging your scripts, in fact, its primary use was supposed to be to get help with scripting, but nobody ever asks for help here with scripting.

Also, it is normal for a documentation to use proper terminology. If we don't teach scripters to use the right terms, they won't use the righ terms when discussing on the forums and when writing scripts. This is definitely not what we want to happen. Therefore, we HAVE to show the proper terminology to scripters. However, we also need to explain it, which we do, but on the right pages.

If you find it hard to learn with the wiki, it is either because you're not motivated enough to learn, either because you're using the wiki in the wrong way.
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 08:26 PM
Not everybody learns the same, Julien.

Some people find the wiki easy, some find it hard.
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miz656 is not online. miz656
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30 May 2012 09:39 PM
I'm both a teacher 2 in both groups so they're both great!

Although, I bet if I took the LuaLearner's test again I would be a teacher 3 while scripting helpers I would stay. I have to learn a little more before I can pass the scripting helpers test.
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darkkiller5555 is not online. darkkiller5555
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30 May 2012 09:44 PM
Actually, the wiki is a really good beginner reference, regardless. Why can't people learn from there? Because they have the wrong links.
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rayoma is not online. rayoma
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30 May 2012 09:56 PM
The reason people struggle to learn from the wiki is the same reason the will struggle to learn from any source. They're to scared to get their hands dirty however, once they finally do they will finally understand what all that stuff is about, then they give credit to whatever source they were using last and shun the others they had used before. It is impossible to learn how to program without first doing it which is the ONLY reason you will ever have a hard time learning anything in the programming world.
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rayoma is not online. rayoma
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30 May 2012 09:57 PM
And on the topic of LuaLearners, I have never liked them because whenever the owners first started posting here to get new members, more than half of what they said would be wrong. Then when I corrected them, all of them together would attack me and make it look as if they were the more dominant one, which is how they got their early members.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 10:00 PM
@GreenDay987

Wrong. We all learn in the same way. We're all humans. We all go to schools that teach us things in the same way.

WE ALL LEARN THE SAME WAY.

If you can't learn from the wiki, then there's nothing you'll be able to learn from.

Currently, there is no better resource to learn to script in ROBLOX than the wiki.

As for the LuaLearners website, it certainly doesn't have better resources than the wiki. The wiki is the only official help resource for building and scripting, its writers are picked by the ROBLOX staff itself and many experienced scripters contribute to it.

We do currently need better beginning tutorials. But the wiki is still the best resource to learn to script currently.

Also, the beginners guide to scripting on the wiki is horrible. Please don't use it as an example. It is completely horrible.
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 10:00 PM
Well the Past is the past I guess... I didn't script back in 09 so I don't know about that, but I enjoy the tutorials made by Slayer219.
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 10:02 PM
I find the wiki difficult, and I have learned everything I know from LuaLearners, so I guess that what you said is invalid.

I'm still learning from LuaLearners in fact.
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 10:03 PM
However I do use the wiki more often now that I know more about Lua.

Mostly to check methods.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 10:05 PM
"but I enjoy the tutorials made by Slayer219."

Err.. I've read some of them.. they're horrible.

"I find the wiki difficult, and I have learned everything I know from LuaLearners, so I guess that what you said is invalid.

I'm still learning from LuaLearners in fact."

Well, if you're still learning from these tutorials, then how can you judge whether they have good tutorials?


If the wiki is difficult to understand, it's because you're using it in the wrong way. Many tutorials on the wiki need a lot of improvement. The current beginner guide to scripting wasn't written by one of the writers, it was written when the wiki was still open. Stop using it as an example, please. There are better beginning tutorials on the wiki.
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GreenDay987 is not online. GreenDay987
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30 May 2012 10:07 PM
The first point in your post is opinion, and I am learning from the tutorials but mainly the advanced ones, I like how the beginner ones were made.

And I really don't want to learn from the wiki until some of those articles are updated, however I still use it for help and reference.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 10:17 PM
"The first point in your post is opinion"

Yes, yes, it is opinion. Opinion from someone who has read lots and lots of resources on Lua, who has entirely mastered Lua, who knows a part of Lua's C API, who has teached scripting to many users and who is very experienced with the Lua language.

Opinion from someone who knows the terminology well, opinion from a programmer and opinion that is also shared with many other persons in the same situation.

Opinion that might be wrong, that is not necessarily right and that might be more or less biased, but opinion that is still worth being weighted.

If not by opinions, how are we supposed to judge something? The only way is to use the opinion of different persons.

I'm not being arrogant or anything, I'm just telling the

"And I really don't want to learn from the wiki until some of those articles are updated, however I still use it for help and reference."

You're still using it the wrong way.
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pwnedu46 is not online. pwnedu46
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30 May 2012 10:46 PM
" Because in order to gain entrance to become aWiki writer, you must be selected. But by whom? Well, from the bigdude with a Hammer, yes MrDoomBringer. He has a annually (Yearly) selection of good coders."

LuaLearners does have some members that are also wiki writers.
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miz656 is not online. miz656
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30 May 2012 11:00 PM
Julien :

"Wrong. We all learn in the same way. We're all humans. We all go to schools that teach us things in the same way.

WE ALL LEARN THE SAME WAY."

No, we don't learn all the same way. How would you think a normal person would learn from a disabled person?
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rayoma is not online. rayoma
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30 May 2012 11:02 PM
@pwnedu
Yes LuaLearners does have a few good members now and I respect that. However none of them help with the poorly-written tutorials on their website.

Beside the fact, I have already stated my opinion on both LuaLearners and the wiki learning dilemma in which Julien is arguing.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 11:05 PM
I'm not saying that LuaLearners doesn't have good scripters and stuff, I didn't even look at the list of their members. All I'm talking about is the tutorials presented on their website. And that's actually all that matters.
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Chili1924 is not online. Chili1924
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30 May 2012 11:14 PM
The tutorials on the LuaLearners website make the concepts simple. LuaLearners strives to update the tutorials in order to make them even better. New ones are being added and the current ones are edited. Select qualified members write the tutorials to help ensure accuracy. Before they are made public, they must be approved as well.

There are many examples of people saying that the LuaLearners tutorials helped them start off learning Roblox Lua easily.
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pwnedu46 is not online. pwnedu46
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30 May 2012 11:17 PM
It really doesn't matter which one is better. I will agree the quality of articles on the wiki is generally better than those of LL, but they are both very good resources when learning how to script.

The big advantage that LL has over the wiki is that are teachers that are willing to give tutorials. There are very few resources for new scripters to get 1 on 1 lessons other than LL. Asking for tutorials on the forums will generally get you turned down.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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30 May 2012 11:19 PM
Anyway, it'd be stupid to start a competition between LuaLearners and the wiki. I mean, they both have the same objective, so..
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