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Re: Roblox should make a java version xD

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Radioaktiivinen is not online. Radioaktiivinen
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19 May 2012 02:00 PM
It would be interesting to play it in the browser. yus.
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nightname is not online. nightname
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19 May 2012 02:01 PM
Too true. Too true.
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LocalChum is not online. LocalChum
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19 May 2012 02:41 PM
Roblox already lags and uses a lot of memory.

Imagine that in Java...
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pwnedu46 is not online. pwnedu46
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19 May 2012 04:08 PM
@Local: I can see the memory argument, but Java can be equally as fast, if not faster in some situations than C++. The extra memory Java uses is for optimization during runtime.


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myrkos is not online. myrkos
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19 May 2012 04:11 PM
Most of the time Java is slower than C++. It's just inevitable because its runtime doesn't allow it to perform severe optimizations.
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MajorTyco is not online. MajorTyco
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19 May 2012 04:16 PM
inb4 Build ism?

"I remain just one thing, and one thing only — and that is a clown. It places me on a far higher plane than any politician."-- Charlie Chaplin
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Radioaktiivinen is not online. Radioaktiivinen
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19 May 2012 04:56 PM
Roblox wud feel cooler if it ran in browser k? k.

Though i assume their code is infested with random bit level math and templates and pointers so it wouldnt ever translate to java properly
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pwnedu46 is not online. pwnedu46
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19 May 2012 07:23 PM
"Most of the time Java is slower than C++. It's just inevitable because its runtime doesn't allow it to perform severe optimizations."

However the difference in execution time is usually negligible.


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MyrcoMyrcoMyrcoMyrco is not online. MyrcoMyrcoMyrcoMyrco
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19 May 2012 07:35 PM
So pwnd, u agree u lied :3
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pwnedu46 is not online. pwnedu46
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19 May 2012 07:46 PM
I never lied. It is faster in some cases, but the difference is negligible between the two.


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MyrcoMyrcoMyrcoMyrco is not online. MyrcoMyrcoMyrcoMyrco
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19 May 2012 07:54 PM
I totally saw what u did there.
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imcoolfire8 is not online. imcoolfire8
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19 May 2012 08:26 PM
Legitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt, I would love to see that!

Legit Model!: http://www.roblox.com/UKF-Dubominus-item?id=77583995
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vat21s is not online. vat21s
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19 May 2012 09:04 PM
Lol i would like to write 'plugins' for a Insert tool
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L3GabeL4 is not online. L3GabeL4
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19 May 2012 09:21 PM
Java sucks, so that would be BAD.
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imcoolfire8 is not online. imcoolfire8
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19 May 2012 09:39 PM
>Java sucks

You mean the only way some programs can run on macs? And the only way to buy stuff from the catalog, join games, etc?

Legit Model!: http://www.roblox.com/UKF-Dubominus-item?id=77583995
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 May 2012 11:09 PM
Oh gosh. The horror.

Think of all the new exploits. D:
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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19 May 2012 11:13 PM
They should remake it web based. :D

-Instant compatibility with every platform including Windows, Linux, Mac, FreeBSD, MS-DOS (no, liek, srsly), Android, iOS, eeeeeverything.
- umg i dun even need ot update it!!!!
- easier to integrate with teh website
- pplz no need 2 downlod anyting
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 May 2012 11:15 PM
It's just not as powerful.

That's like recoding all of ROBLOX. I mean, like seriously.

And the web has a ton of security exploits, all the time. Stuff moves fast.

Furthermore, their systems can be more easily exploited.

I like ROBLOX how it is. Their web extension already crashes chrome every 15 minutes.

I shudder to think what a full out game would do.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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19 May 2012 11:21 PM
"It's just not as powerful."

It is..

"That's like recoding all of ROBLOX. I mean, like seriously."

Of course that it is. What, because porting it to Java isn't recoding all of it?

"And the web has a ton of security exploits, all the time. Stuff moves fast."

What...?

Since when do web applications have more flaws than native applications? I think you're *a little* confused...

The web doesn't have a ton of security exploits. As long as you don't use Flash or another silly plugin like that, it doesn't.

"Furthermore, their systems can be more easily exploited."

What..?

You're completely wrong there.. It's the complete opposite..

Lol, which is easier to exploit, a web application, or an application that runs on your computer? Duh, I don't even need to tell you the answer, anyone could find it easily.

"I like ROBLOX how it is. Their web extension already crashes chrome every 15 minutes."

That's called a plugin. Not a web application.
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 May 2012 11:26 PM
"The web doesn't have a ton of security exploits. As long as you don't use Flash or another silly plugin like that, it doesn't."

Oh, right. ROBLOX will obviously be such thing. When people can easily modify incoming and outgoing files on the web, you can point at cracked versions of minecraft to know things won't turn out well. How can ROBLOX not be a flash, or "Another silly plugin like that". Java just recently had a security exploit (I believe on macs), that resulted in a massive fallout.

And obviously any application that runs in another application will be just as slow as the original application.

I like ROBLOX how it is. I doubt it's going to change.

As for web security, I must point out that 99.9% of all the viruses you get are from the web somehow. Furthermore, Chrome and IE, etc. off millions of dollars for people to find exploits.

Don't see windows's or mac's doing that quite as much. I mean, yes, they might, but...

The only positive thing I can see is a super fast development cycle, and the ability for people who don't have a mac or windows (Very, very few), to be able to use it.

But with a 90% Window's users, and like 8-9% (Not sure exactly) mac users, I doubt they're missing many users, especially a KIDS GAME!

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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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19 May 2012 11:38 PM
"Oh, right. ROBLOX will obviously be such thing."

...

That's like saying an application will be bad because the developers will make it so it'll be bad.

Of course that if you use Flash, it's going to be bad, but nobody's forcing you to use Flash!

"When people can easily modify incoming and outgoing files on the web"

Explain, please.

"How can ROBLOX not be a flash, or "Another silly plugin like that"."

Stop asking questions without putting a question mark at the end, please.

As for your question, well, why would it need to use Flash?

"Java just recently had a security exploit (I believe on macs), that resulted in a massive fallout."

JAVA IS A FREAKING PLUGIN.

"I like ROBLOX how it is. I doubt it's going to change."

Nobody said it was going to change. This thread is just a joke. We're not seriously suggesting ROBLOX to make another version, and we totally know they're not going to recode all of it.

"As for web security, I must point out that 99.9% of all the viruses you get are from the web somehow."

DUH. And these viruses aren't web applications. They're native applications that _YOU_ downloaded because _YOU_ are a moron and _YOU_ download everything you see and run it, therefore making it _YOUR_ fault because _YOU_ did something stupid.

"Furthermore, Chrome and IE, etc. off millions of dollars for people to find exploits."

*doesn't understand*

"and the ability for people who don't have a mac or windows (Very, very few)"

"Very, very few", you say? Since when is every single person in the world who has a mobile phone "very, very few"?

"But with a 90% Window's users, and like 8-9% (Not sure exactly) mac users, I doubt they're missing many users, especially a KIDS GAME!"

The cross-platformness of the web is an advantage. Whether it is useful or not doesn't matter, because it's still an advantage. It's not like there's any inconvenient to supporting all platforms, now, is there?
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 May 2012 11:50 PM
I need to point at most phones don't support the same type/version of Java, despite what Java wishes.

Also, I'm not quite sure ROBLOX can run off of like 128 MB of RAM.

However, I'm just saying Java itself has security breaches, the whole thing will be slower, and yeah.

I see no point in actually switching.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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19 May 2012 11:53 PM
"I need to point at most phones don't support the same type/version of Java, despite what Java wishes."

I DON'T CARE ABOUT JAVA. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JAVA. >_>

"Also, I'm not quite sure ROBLOX can run off of like 128 MB of RAM."

You have no idea how much memory could be saved...

"However, I'm just saying Java itself has security breaches, the whole thing will be slower, and yeah."

Are you even reading my posts..?

"I see no point in actually switching."

I never said there was one, but there is indeed one. In fact, there are many. Except they're not worth rewriting everything, and I never said they were.
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 May 2012 11:54 PM
Fine fine.

I'm entitled to my own opinion, and you to yours.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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19 May 2012 11:56 PM
Except your opinion has nothing to do with mine because yours is about Java, while mine is about web applications.
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