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Re: The NCAA's Violation Mess

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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 06:58 PM
"Good luck."

Those 2 words can give you a secondary violation, as Urban Meyer will tell you now. In case you didn't know, Urban Meyer said "Good luck" to a high school recruit before their game.

That is a violation, according to the NCAA.

Who would have guessed?

Give a recruit a dollar? Buy him ice cream? Give him a pencil to write with?

The NCAA has a problem with that.

Send a text message?

Nope. You broke the rules.

And do you want to know the best one? Well guess what...

"Overpay" someone for a job they have?

Nope. An outside organization called the NCAA says no to that. Yes, it is gotten to that point where the NCAA has dictated paychecks NCAA players earn from a job they do outside of sports.

The NCAA has gone overboard with their recruiting rules. Plain and simple. The fact that the NCAA finds a player exchanging memorbilia for tatoos is idiotic. The fact that you can now be punished by the NCAA for saying "Good luck" to a recruit is idiotic.

And the maker of this huge mess, one that needs more than 4 paper towels to clean up is.....

A building in Indianapolis, Indiana.

May I introduce you to the NCAA, the organization that is a building in Indiana.

And here is the funny part, the NCAA is an organization that is optional to join. Yet all the members that have joined it seem to find no problem with the "violations" I just named.

All the NCAA is is a building in Indianapolis. It relies on people to report stuff to it, it doesn't run around just deciding to investigate, and that is the center of the problem.

It is terrible at enforcing its rules, and needs help to have that happen.

It is like the ROBLOX Moderators for the lack of a better term.

Yet no one has found a problem with it/haven't cared enough to fix it.


And that is a shame.
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Williaf is not online. Williaf
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18 May 2012 07:02 PM
I found out theres a rule that recruiters can give plain bagels to recruits however... if they add a spread to it (Butter or Creamcheese stuff like that) then it becomes a violation. I am not even joking I saw it on Sports Center haha
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 07:03 PM
@williaf

that is hardcore badassness, i won't lie :o. they should be executed 4 that one!
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 07:49 PM
bump
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 07:54 PM
1. they changed the text messaging rule
1a. the other things are actual violations though, and for good reason
2. the NCAA is not an "outside organization", it is the national college athletics association, and it's rules apply everywhere. these same violations are the same violations in the NAIA or the CIS.
3. exchanging merchandise for tattoos is illegal as well. these are AMATEUR athletes, meaning that they cannot be paid for their services or for their goods. why do you think college jerseys can't be sold with names on them?
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 07:56 PM
@tato
1, K

2. It is when you own a company and it punishes some of your employees for the paycheck you give them.

3. it is still stupid players can't trade stuff without getting punished. it is THEIR stuff (by stuff I mean stuff like bowl rings stuff like that). let them do what they want with it.
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 07:57 PM
The bagel rule and the fact you can't say "good luck" to a recruit is stupid.

No reasonable human being would or should consider a coach saying "Good luck" to a player passing by to be a rules violation.

-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 07:58 PM
2. what?
3. no, those are legally property of the university until you graduate.
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 07:59 PM
@tato
2. The NCAA punished some players on Ohio State in 2011 for being "overpaid" by the owner of a company they worked for.
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 08:00 PM
itt: only one high school football player


saying "good luck" isn't what it seems. if you see a coach of important standing at one of your games telling you good luck, you get excited, and you feel more obliged to sign with them than other programs.
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 08:01 PM
Saying "good luck" doesn't carry FOURTY SIX violations, however.

-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 08:05 PM
@gigantotron
and that is a violation
do you think that they're getting extra money for doing a great job, or because they're ohio state football players working in columbus? before you answer, remember that only the ohio state players were being paid extra.

read: miami in the 80's. all those recruiting violations they incurred were from being paid by the guy from 2 live crew. it doesn't matter if the school is commiting the violations or not, they should have the institutional control to stop it
read: USC recently

@zammy
as stated in the OP, saying good luck was only a secondary violation
he had to do much more to earn 46
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 08:05 PM
@tato
rofl it may affect them about as much as a pitcher is affected when he gives up 1 hit with no one on base with 2 outs.



and don't you think that all recruiters are trying to make a recruit feel all warm and fuzzy towards their program?
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 08:06 PM
Some of these outside of football are also quite stupid:
"a member of the women's rifle team won $75 in a competition as a member of the USA Shooting Team."

NCAA dictating if players how and when players can be paid. The athlete was being paid as a member of the NT. Not as a Buckeyes member. That's stupid.



-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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Gigantotron is not online. Gigantotron
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18 May 2012 08:07 PM
@tato
well unless there is clear evidence the owner was biased towards those players such as an audio tape, footage, etc. then no assumptions can be made. Maybe those players learned good working habits from Ohio State that those other employees don't have.
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 08:10 PM
"rofl it may affect them about as much as a pitcher is affected when he gives up 1 hit with no one on base with 2 outs."
>not a high school football player
it does much more
our team went down to california this year, and there were two recruiters in the stands. you should've seen how hyped the seniors were just for those two guys being there. if one of them was singled out and told to have a good game, he would immediately fall in love with the program.



"and don't you think that all recruiters are trying to make a recruit feel all warm and fuzzy towards their program?"
they're not allowed to. they're allowed to try and sell the school, they're not allowed to try and give you an emotional connection to the school

@zammy
still an amatuer athlete, still not allowed
rules are rules, they have to follow them
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18 May 2012 08:11 PM
@gigantotron
it's more than coincidence that the ohio state football players were getting paid more than normal non-ohio state football players
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 09:43 PM
"still an amatuer athlete, still not allowed
rules are rules, they have to follow them"

Amateur means they can get paid outside of football.

-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 10:59 PM
i'm absolutely certain that the member of the women's rifle team was not on the football team

and amateur applies to all sports. you cannot be paid for athletic reasons when you are an athlete of NCAA.
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 11:04 PM
Or any sport.

And the key word is "amateur". Players shouldn't be punished for the fact they're being paid money outside of sports.

-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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18 May 2012 11:08 PM
they aren't punished for being paid money outside of sports. i'm sure that if the football players made normal wage, they wouldn't be targeted

in ohio state's case, they are being punished for being paid money outside of sports

tattoos for memorbilia
extra pay for being an ohio state buckeyes player
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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18 May 2012 11:16 PM
"they aren't punished for being paid money outside of sports. i'm sure that if the football players made normal wage, they wouldn't be targeted "

The people that paid them made that choice. The NCAA shouldn't be punishing players for decisions they didn't make, like their wages. They can't entirely control that.

"in ohio state's case, they are being punished for being paid money outside of sports"

*headdesk*
You said they aren't punished for being paid money outside of sports.

"tattoos for memorbilia
extra pay for being an ohio state buckeyes player"

The employers, again, decided the wages. They chose to pay them extra for being players. The NCAA shouldn't be controlling decisions of other organizations not directly related to the NCAA.


-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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19 May 2012 12:44 AM
"The people that paid them made that choice. The NCAA shouldn't be punishing players for decisions they didn't make, like their wages. They can't entirely control that."
yes, they can
they can quit their job, or remind their employer that they're breaking NCAA rules
quit being a goof and wisen up
these are still human beings who know that they are breaking the rules
they can do whatever they can to stop it, or do nothing and get punished

"You said they aren't punished for being paid money outside of sports."
no, i said "in ohio state's case, they are being punished for being paid money outside of sports"

goof

"The employers, again, decided the wages. They chose to pay them extra for being players."
and that is a VIOLATION
SMU, USC, Alabama and LSU have all had similar problems.

"The NCAA shouldn't be controlling decisions of other organizations not directly related to the NCAA."
you're saying that an NCAA player can deal drugs, he just can't deal to other players
you're absolutely ridiculous, please stop posting. you know squat about nothing.
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spicycelerytherepeat is not online. spicycelerytherepeat
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19 May 2012 12:49 AM
and i'd like to thank muffin for putting this entire thing out of context

http://goo.gl/m2T4T

1. all of these violations were reported and revealed by ohio state, and not by the NCAA
2. the NCAA is not going to put sanctions on OSU for these violations

way to completely blow this out of proportion
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FrenchPlayHandBall is not online. FrenchPlayHandBall
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19 May 2012 09:44 AM
"yes, they can
they can quit their job, or remind their employer that they're breaking NCAA rules
quit being a goof and wisen up
these are still human beings who know that they are breaking the rules
they can do whatever they can to stop it, or do nothing and get punished"

Because players will read thousands of rules, half of them of which no one cares about and violate anyway!

-"Go out and buy some peanut butter yo"
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