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BeautifulDirtyRich is not online. BeautifulDirtyRich
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08 May 2012 09:22 PM
Now, if political themes are against the rules due to controversy, and religious themes are against the rules due to controversy, then why is a 13k Christian-based group perfectly intact, while a 93 member Ron Paul support group was essentially erased?

This scenario got me thinking- TheAmazeMan is more popular, which means maybe his Ron Paul group received more reports.

So, I'm doing an experiment to test the fairness of group moderation.


I've reported this group for religious topics, controversial subject matter, and adult themes: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=29793

Seeing as the rules treat endorsement of political and religious themes as equally bad, shouldn't the punishment done to both groups be equal as well?


Does moderation truly treat each offence the same?

Or, SHOULD they treat each offense the same?

What do you think?


P.S. Also, if you'd like to help out and report the group as well, the link is above-remember, this is all done in the spirit of fairness!

~DH~
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DiscoHeaven is not online. DiscoHeaven
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08 May 2012 09:24 PM
Oh, and here's a link to the Ron Paul support group:

http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=477561

"Keep going. Focus. And then, only then, can you do."- Mrs. Valdes ~DH~
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Rezdonox is not online. Rezdonox
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08 May 2012 09:25 PM
Cool experiment. I support this. Good luck finding the answer.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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08 May 2012 09:25 PM
Ron paul revolution.

Get off me, child's play.
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Archonis is not online. Archonis
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08 May 2012 09:26 PM
The rule regarding Political and Religious themes is stated in rule to be an application to the forums, thus neither should have been deleted. HOWEVER, Ron Paul is a political canidate and a company endorising a political canidate is illegal, so ROBLOX may have deleted it to prevent any confusion on the matter considering the group was technicaly under their domain, where as a company endorsing a religion has no law against it especialy considering a religion is not a political nominee.

Hope this helps.
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doommaster21 is not online. doommaster21
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08 May 2012 09:26 PM
They like Christians more than Ron Paul

http://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=460078
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LadySerenity is not online. LadySerenity
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08 May 2012 09:28 PM
I joined the Ron Paul group. :>
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DiscoHeaven is not online. DiscoHeaven
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08 May 2012 09:28 PM
@Archonis

Actually, I did some research on RT before posting this here.

I asked them whether there was a rule outside of the forums that applied to the situation, seeing as I am fully aware of that particular rule, but the two points of politics and religion are covered in the main site's rules as well.

"Keep going. Focus. And then, only then, can you do."- Mrs. Valdes ~DH~
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Archonis is not online. Archonis
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08 May 2012 09:32 PM
@Disco,

Religious based groups abund on ROBLOX and have so for years, also a few moderators have been in some before in the past aswell.

So either it must applie souly to the forums, or the Admins choose to completely disregard this. Prehapce the main rules is instead reffering to debates between aposing opinions on Religion?
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heypeople2011 is not online. heypeople2011
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08 May 2012 09:33 PM
I'm going to go with what Archonis said. It makes a lot more sense.

There are several religions, and denominations that have a group on ROBLOX, Christianity and Islam being the two I can name readily. In addition, there are groups that discuss politics, and related topics, like Reaven's "Libertarians" group. There is also CT's Athiest group, in contrast to the religious groups.

I would think that in light of the other groups that exist, it's not unfair moderation, or increased group reports (if that were so, it's likely most superclans would have been CD'ed by now), but rather other reasons, like a description that violated the ToS, or simply a desire to distance themselves from such a position.

Of course, that's just one way to consider it.
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DiscoHeaven is not online. DiscoHeaven
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08 May 2012 09:35 PM
Possibly, Arch, yes... but just the Christian group being there is an insult to other religious groups within itself, just as the Ron Paul group is an insult to any other (*ahem* inferior *ahem*) political figure related groups.

"Keep going. Focus. And then, only then, can you do."- Mrs. Valdes ~DH~
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generation418 is not online. generation418
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08 May 2012 09:37 PM
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Archonis is not online. Archonis
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08 May 2012 09:37 PM
I do ask why the existence of Christian faith based societies on ROBLOX constitues injury to the honour of other Religious groups. And if what you say is true, who is to say that the existence of other religious organizations on ROBLOX that are non-christian does not also constitute insult towards Christian based group?
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Pragmatic is not online. Pragmatic
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08 May 2012 09:37 PM
gen u ever been serious

Sleet Swag, in the bag
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heypeople2011 is not online. heypeople2011
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08 May 2012 09:45 PM
Islamic group, roughly 500 members: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=71598

Hindu group, around 50 members: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=184030

Reaven's Libertarian group, unknown amount: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=49354

Democrats, 121+ members: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=204

Republicans, around 486 members: http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=13468


Certainly, there are more than those listed, but it should help explain my position a bit more.
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generation418 is not online. generation418
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08 May 2012 09:46 PM
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Archonis is not online. Archonis
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08 May 2012 09:47 PM
Actualy Gen at one time was extremely dead serious. Hard to imagine now.
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generation418 is not online. generation418
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08 May 2012 09:48 PM
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DiscoHeaven is not online. DiscoHeaven
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08 May 2012 09:49 PM
@Arch

True, true. I never said the other religious groups were not offensive, but I find it notable that Christian groups are much larger, and I felt as if groups with such a large member count (13k) should have been noticed long before a group with less than 100 members.

Also, this group is simply a test subject for the sake of experimentation- I feel as if the moderator's would care less about deleting the content from a small religious group, rather than one of this magnitude, which is why I chose this one specifically.

"Keep going. Focus. And then, only then, can you do."- Mrs. Valdes ~DH~
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