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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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05 May 2012 02:06 PM
It is no more crazy than a dog finding a rainbow. Dogs are colorblind. They don't see color. Just like we don't see time. We can feel it, we can feel it passing, but we can't see it. It's just like a blur. It's like we're riding in a supersonic train and the world is just blowing by, but imagine if we could stop that train? Imagine if we could stop that train, get out, look around, and see time for what it really is? A universe, a world, a thing as unimaginable as color to a dog, and as real, as tangible as that chair you're sitting in. Now if we could see it like that, really look at it, then maybe we could see the flaws as well as the form. And that's it; it's that simple. That's all I discovered. I'm just a... a guy who saw a crack in a chair that no one else could see. I'm that dog who saw a rainbow, only none of the other dogs believed me...
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:08 PM
Unlike most people, I understand time travel. It actually came quite easily to me. Obviously, I can't travel through time, and I still think it's confusing, but I can actually work my way throguh most time travel scenarios and know exactly where and when everything's going on. I have time travel discussions with my family all the time (We're all g33ks.)

In conclusion: Time travel is fun to think about if you ask me.

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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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05 May 2012 02:11 PM
Theoretically, if you go to the past in the future, then your future lies in the past. You would be - in the future - in the past.
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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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05 May 2012 02:12 PM
Time. Time, it has been proposed, is the fourth dimension. And yet, for mortal man, time has no dimension at all. We are like horses with blinders, seeing only what lies before us. Forever guessing the future and fabricating the past.
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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05 May 2012 02:13 PM
time travel cant happen
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:14 PM
You're speaking to one of the few people on Earth who understands that statement.

The problem is, it raises the question: what did you do in the past that altered the future? And if, in the future, you decide never to go back to the past, then who went back and changed something? Also, if you did go back into the past and changed something, how is it certain that the you of that time WILL go back to the past?

Lastly, if you back in time to before you were born and, say, altered history at ALL, then who wen back intime to change something.

This subject is fun for me for some reaosn. Keep talking :)

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jimmy2054 is not online. jimmy2054
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05 May 2012 02:17 PM
I'll just say this even if you've said this in a form I didn't understand:

If you traveled into the future, it would either be brief depending on your past decisions, or you wouldn't be there at all, because there's still decisions you haven't made, thus, the future is non-existent.
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:21 PM
I disagree. I think that time, like physical space, is already there. If you go 14 trillion miles away from Earth, you're in a space that's already existed, you just have'nt been there yet. I think of time in the same way: The future already exists, you're just not there yet.

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jimmy2054 is not online. jimmy2054
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05 May 2012 02:22 PM
But you haven't made the decisions yourself, what if they're the kind of choices you wouldn't make?
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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05 May 2012 02:23 PM
if travelling to the future is possible past going really fast then free will is nonexistant
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Vikie09 is not online. Vikie09
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05 May 2012 02:24 PM
tl;dr
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:24 PM
The choices you would make are the ones that have been made. I don't believe in a "system that corrects itself." I believe that the future is what you were going to do anyway, and if, in the future, you decide that would WOULDN'T make that decision, then the future you went to in the first place is the future in which you made that different decision. Hence eliminating the need for you to decide to change your mind...

Am I making any sense?

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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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05 May 2012 02:24 PM
If you were to travel to the future you past self would cease existing. Let me put it this way.

I travel one hour into the future.

People begin to wonder where I am.

I will "appear" in one hour from when I left.

If I travel to the past (in this case it was formerly called the present) after I was in the future, the future would not have happened since it was a figment of what would happen if I had done something that way since there cannot be two of me.
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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05 May 2012 02:25 PM
time travel and free will are incompatible
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:26 PM
Which is why I think that if you go to the future you'll still see yourself, just older (That is, assuming you ever went back to the past.)

Who says there can't be 2 of you?

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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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05 May 2012 02:27 PM
spoiler alert

if you can go to the future you can find out what people will do
this means their actions have already been decided
which means they have no free will
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jimmy2054 is not online. jimmy2054
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05 May 2012 02:29 PM
Depends, if you had the ability to travel between time, would you be yourself at that age, or would you be your present self wandering about in that time?
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:29 PM
@Boeing you're not think about this right.

If YOU went on to the future, then you would have seen the decisions they HAVE made. They could still have made those decisions of their own free will, you just skipped over them making them.

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FireGamer101 is not online. FireGamer101
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05 May 2012 02:29 PM
Time travel is possible.
We're doing it right now. One second at a time. It's happening, some of us don't realise it though.
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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05 May 2012 02:30 PM
bio

you dont understand

if i go back to the past after seeing these actions i know they will happen

if i know something will happen before it does then the people only have the illusion of free will

they think they made the choice but it has already been fated
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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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05 May 2012 02:30 PM
Here is the thing about the future. Every time you look at, it changes, because you looked at it, and that changes everything else.
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:31 PM
It depends on where YOU are in the timeline. If you travelled to tyhe future young, then you would stay as your young self. Once you go back to your original time and grow old and see your young self, you would still be your old self, though you would probobly remember everything your young self experianced... or IS experiancing.

That's the ONLY thing I hate about time travel: making the tenses of words work >:(

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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:33 PM
@Boeing

If you went back in time you would watch those people make those decisions. Again, if you think of time as already existing as I do, it clears up all the paradoxes by saying that everything that happens in the future was the result of decisions that the decisions that people will choose to make.

Especially going back in time. Those decisions have already been made. Who cares if you know what they are? The person who made them still get to make them on their own, as long as you don't tamper with their thought process, though if you did, the future you came from would already reflect that.

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jimmy2054 is not online. jimmy2054
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05 May 2012 02:34 PM
Because you traveled to that time, you'd be there when that time actually occurred, but you wouldn't experience it, although you may see your young self.

Is that what you're saying?
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BioBot95 is not online. BioBot95
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05 May 2012 02:35 PM
I think so.

I wish I could draw a diagram. Pictures make things SO much easier to explain.

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