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Re: 1st Marine Division Rank Revisions

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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
Joined: 05 Aug 2008
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29 Mar 2012 01:06 AM
When a group has as many high ranks as this group has, they risk running the chance of having an admin attack when an untrustworthy high rank takes office. Due to this, Vice Commanders do not currently have permission to promote or demote people.

Looking through the ranks today I came up with the idea to promote everyone that is currently in the rank of Lance Corporal up one rank to Corporal and then rename the Lance Corporal rank to Head Vice Commander and then move it in front of Vice Commander.

A select few Vice Commanders (Cabs decision only. No election.) will be able to move up to Head Vice Commander and then will have permission to promote and demote people.

The pros of this: More officers will have a chance to become Vice commanders;
Cab will not be the only one able to promote so there’s a chance of people getting promoted faster (No offence Cab. =P);
When Cab is not on for a raid or training then a Head Vice Commander will be able to go to a training or raid and immediately promote those that deserve a promotion instead of a Vice Commander having to send a message to Cab requesting that so and so get promoted and they never get promoted;
and there are many more pros to this change.

The cons of this: The normal Vice Commander position will not be able to promote people;
and not many Vice Commanders will be able to move up to be a Head Vice Commander.

I discussed this with Cab and I believe he approves but he wants to see what the group thinks about this so I wish to ask the 1st Marine Division what they think about it.
Please post your response on here and/or message me(Hohh20) with it.
--- VCC Hohh20
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Outlaw001 is not online. Outlaw001
Joined: 22 Jan 2011
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29 Mar 2012 01:17 AM
I lost contact with 1MD after the APN-1MD war.
What are they up to these days?
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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29 Mar 2012 01:33 AM
We are doing better than ever. 2,500+ members. You should join.
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Outlaw001 is not online. Outlaw001
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29 Mar 2012 01:44 AM
Mhmmm... I'll think about it.
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WideProace is not online. WideProace
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29 Mar 2012 06:52 AM
Hm, I approve. I think that this is a great idea, only because it takes members soo long to get promoted. Also I would like to be a Head VCC :3
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luke509 is not online. luke509
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29 Mar 2012 07:09 AM
I approve this. I think this is a good idea because now there's a head VCC which is a cool name and I wish I can be one.
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Skyner is not online. Skyner
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29 Mar 2012 08:12 AM
Head VCC? Sounds a little cheesy, don't you think?

Also, are you only changing the Lance Corporal Rank? That's it?

I think the other ranks need some capabilities too.
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brightstorm603 is not online. brightstorm603
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29 Mar 2012 09:58 AM
I agree Skyner, its cheesy.

And I vote no. I have learned from experience that you shouldn't give some types of people (and I'm not pointing ANY fingers here) a false sense of more power than they have. We are good the way we have it now, and I like our ranking systems as they are.
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katabolt is not online. katabolt
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29 Mar 2012 10:07 AM
Hmm.. Very interesting. While this could be a good idea, I personally see the name "Head VCC" I little iffy, and doing this would screw up the tiered system I'm working on. I could go either way here, though I suggest a different name than the one proposed.

==<1MD Officer Katabolt>=====
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KingOfHacking is not online. KingOfHacking
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29 Mar 2012 01:35 PM
@Wideproace Of course you just want to be HR and - nvm no fighting. Also, I think Cab is the CIC so he should keep in contact with each of the VCC. For example, I wouldn't like to be bossed around by Bright (THis is example) and he wouldn't like for me to boss him.
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KingOfHacking is not online. KingOfHacking
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29 Mar 2012 01:37 PM
@Bright I know who you mean and i actually agree with what your trying to say if we are VCC we are VCC theres no Heads the head is Cab.
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brightstorm603 is not online. brightstorm603
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29 Mar 2012 02:04 PM
VCC has always stood for the highest rank achievable in 1MD history. We shouldn't squander that.
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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29 Mar 2012 02:58 PM
PEOPLE THE NAME DOESNT MATTER!!! THE NAME CAN BE WHATEVER, ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE NEW RANK IS FOR.
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Doommaster13 is not online. Doommaster13
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29 Mar 2012 02:59 PM
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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29 Mar 2012 03:45 PM
I understand why the current VCCs are against this. They want to hold the most power and they know that they won’t be able to get into the higher rank as easily as they got into the VCC position. They will actually have to work to get into the new rank and not just befriend everyone that joins 1MD. And yes all elections are now a days, popularity contests. It’s not on who would be the best but on who can make the most friends. Before you try to argue with me, think about it.

Anyways, I wish to offer another idea. The new rank will become the Advisor rank. The Advisors will have the ability to promote and probably more abilities. The Advisor rank will also have more power than the VCCs; however, the Advisors will take a more backseat kind of stance and let the VCCs run the show. The Advisors will watch over training, raids, etc. making sure everything is running smoothly and helping when needed or when they feel that they can add something for the benefit of 1MD.

Not all the VCCs are trusted and there are too many of them. This is why VCC's can not promote people due to a possible admin attack. This idea will solve that issue and allow 1MD to run even smoother, plus it will give the younger VCC's more chance to lead and non VCC's will have a better chance of getting into the VCC position.

Current VCC's: Read this and reconsider your stand. Stop being selfish and thinking for yourselves and think what is good for the 1st Marine Division.

--- VCC Hohh20
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ArkansasDave is not online. ArkansasDave
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29 Mar 2012 04:30 PM
I like the Advisor idea.
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Skyner is not online. Skyner
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29 Mar 2012 04:39 PM
So, in all other words, I vote no.

I like the idea of having only Caboose promote, since it's more secure that way. As you said, Hohh, some of the VCC's can't be trusted.

So why promote anyone with the risk of an 'admin attack'? We can always fall to our own desires. There IS the point where you'll hit that.
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katabolt is not online. katabolt
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29 Mar 2012 05:12 PM
Skyner- Then, wouldn't you agree with me when I say that non-trusted people shouldn't be a VCC or Officer at all?

==<1MD Officer Katabolt>=====
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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29 Mar 2012 05:42 PM
Skyner, do you want to be one of the low ranks in the group that never can get promoted because no one sends in a report to cab for a promotion for you or maybe cab doesnt get to read that 1 message when he has 100 or so more he also has to read. Now I know that you are not one of the low ranks and that your ranks cant be earned from normal trainings but with those that do we need to have a better system in place so they don't get bored with not being promoted and leave. We have 1000+ privates and then 300+ of the next rank up...
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lokieyo is not online. lokieyo
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29 Mar 2012 05:51 PM
To bad we can't just add a new rank slot.... or else we would still have the original rank... @Hohh20: YOUR WORDS ARE VERY CONFUSING.... I DIS-APPROVE...
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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29 Mar 2012 05:57 PM
My words are confusing? In the post I last posted to skyner? Yea sorry I rushed and didn't go back and edit it and im also getting a little ticked off.
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hellobluepeople is not online. hellobluepeople
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29 Mar 2012 06:04 PM
I approve.
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Falafugus123 is not online. Falafugus123
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29 Mar 2012 06:20 PM
I like the idea.

stevie werbenmanjensen
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brightstorm603 is not online. brightstorm603
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29 Mar 2012 07:08 PM
Its a nice, well thought out plan. But its just unnecessary. We may plan to give some VCC's promotion abilities, but is that really necessary? People should wait for their promos anyway, it builds character and teaches them patience.

And we have plenty of opportunities for rank-ups if your implying it would mean one less rank to pass. People just don't take them.
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Hohh20 is not online. Hohh20
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30 Mar 2012 01:11 AM
Well the thing is bright, they are waiting for a promo that might not happen because the promo request got lost in communication.
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