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themessinator is not online. themessinator
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27 Mar 2012 05:58 PM
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Ozzypig is not online. Ozzypig
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27 Mar 2012 06:01 PM
Newbies are afraid of wordwalls, though.
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slayer219 is not online. slayer219
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27 Mar 2012 06:02 PM
^
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slayer219 is not online. slayer219
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27 Mar 2012 06:04 PM
Lol, meant to write under that. Anyways, what OzzyPig said is very true. A beginner looks at a page, sees how long it is and goes "Ah crap, there's NO WAY I'm reading all of that," and rage quits.
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chao50 is not online. chao50
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27 Mar 2012 06:05 PM
I totally agree emess, Im trying to relearn scripting but its hard due to the low quality resources.
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themessinator is not online. themessinator
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27 Mar 2012 06:06 PM
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slayer219 is not online. slayer219
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27 Mar 2012 06:06 PM
^ There are PLENTY of high quality resources. You obviously haven't looked quite hard enough. I taught myself through the Object Browser and Free Models, and if you are willing to put in the time, you can do the same.
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chao50 is not online. chao50
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27 Mar 2012 06:12 PM
Well most are incomplete and/or outdated. Oh Ive done my share of searching my friend. Crazypotatos tutorial, Juliendethurens, dingdongs, general wiki pages, free models, lua learning groups. But they are all lacking one thing or another. It would be nice if the wiki was more organized and adapted to a learning curve.
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Userdatas is not online. Userdatas
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27 Mar 2012 06:26 PM
No, we don't need to merge the articles, WE NEED TO SWITCH TO THE VECTOR SKIN.

Monobook is ugly and demotivates the readers from continuing to read! And when I try to switch to the Vector skin, everything looks weird and won't appear correctly!

Look at Wikipedia or any other wiki that is actually kept up to date! Notice how they all use the Vector skin and how they look 5000x better than our wiki?

WE WANT THE VECTOR SKIN!

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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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27 Mar 2012 06:29 PM
I'm precisely writing a whole scripting tutorial to fix this problem.

I'm trying to document every single thing there is to document in Lua with my scripting tutorial. By that, I mean THE WHOLE SYNTAX, including all the advanced stuff, ALL the libraries and ALL their functions, and ALL THE WHOLE ROBLOX API (100+ methods to document, events and properties. However, I only plan to document the useful stuff, not the ThrottleMethodPhysicsRaycasting method of the DiagnosticalPhysicsPseudoServiceDataBase service...).

However, it's going to take me 2 years or so, so.. just wait a little...
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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27 Mar 2012 06:31 PM
@Userdatas

True, true, MediaWiki's new default skin is Vector and I find it to be a lot better than the monobook skin.

And I'm sure it'd help to improve the load time, which we definitively need.

Though, it'd require the devs to be there, and we have many other things we need to ask them to do..
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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27 Mar 2012 06:40 PM
Oh well, I think I'm going to make my own preference file to fix the Vector skin or something...
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XNoBoomX is not online. XNoBoomX
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27 Mar 2012 06:43 PM
Good idea. I'm highly supporting this. Some good scripters here should just team up and do it together. Because, merging tutorials may cause contradictions. Unless of course you spend many hours editing them to make sure they're fit for eachother.

But yes, paragraphs would be an obvious "must".

~{An Intellectual In Love With Bacon}~
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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27 Mar 2012 06:46 PM
Writing a new tutorial is just as hard as merging them, so, anyways, it'd be better to just create a new one.
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XNoBoomX is not online. XNoBoomX
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27 Mar 2012 06:51 PM
Julien, as well, I'd suggest inviting some newbies or asking some beginner scripters to read it along as you guys write it. That way, you know for sure they're understanding exactly what you're writing.

~{An Intellectual In Love With Bacon}~
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nate890 is not online. nate890
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27 Mar 2012 07:14 PM
Good idea in the POV of a beginner willing to learn how to code, as all I use the wiki for is reference (using the search bar).
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LPGhatguy is not online. LPGhatguy
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27 Mar 2012 07:39 PM
What if instead of sticking to the whole 'standard' wiki model for tutorials we wrote ones in a document format?

I've got an example up in a PDF here:

(my username)
.no-ip
.org
/Documents/RBXLuaExample1.pdf
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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27 Mar 2012 07:42 PM
@LPGhatguy

What's the difference between documents and the wiki?

They're the exact same thing, anyways...

Well..

Except the wiki is full of blue links everywhere...
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LPGhatguy is not online. LPGhatguy
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27 Mar 2012 07:51 PM
You can print these off to have a desk reference if need be, and we don't have to deal with wiki markup or changes in the wiki. They can be downloaded and stored by the user for when they have no internet, as well (now if only ROBLOX worked without internet, eh?)

It's also really easy if you're using Microsoft Office Word and Notepad++ just to write a code snippet in N++ and then use the "Npp Export" plugin, and then just paste it into Word (or presumably any similar application that supports text formatting.)

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booing is not online. booing
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28 Mar 2012 07:17 AM
Let me get this straight.
1. Most of us learned from the wiki.
2. A lot of us write for the wiki and are offended.
3. You invited your C&Ger friends over here to agree, or they stalk us.
4. If someone wants to script, then they read what needs to be read.
5. It took me around 2 years to get extremely good at scripting and other languages. If they aren't willing to allocate time, then they might as well quit before they start.
6. The sources aren't "low quality." The sources are very good, if you can find them. The whole design is stupid and there are a lot of stupid pages that should not be. The main how-to-script articles are actually very good.
7. Most people glance at the wiki and say "TOO MUCH WORK IM GOING TO GO TO THE SCRIPTERS AND SCRIPTING HELPERS FORUMS TO SPAM AND HIRE SOMEONE TO TEACH ME." If they don't want to read the wiki, then they don't want to lrn2script enough.
8. I want to get to
9. ten numbers.
10. Notice how mostly C&Gers agreed with you.
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sunStudio is not online. sunStudio
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28 Mar 2012 10:18 AM
@Slayer219's first post

If they're not dedicated enough to read all of it, they shouldn't be trying to learn in the first place.

{ Scripting level - intermediate. }
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themessinator is not online. themessinator
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28 Mar 2012 11:14 AM
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nightname is not online. nightname
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28 Mar 2012 11:40 AM
Going to write a scripting tutorial now. ;D
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XNoBoomX is not online. XNoBoomX
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28 Mar 2012 12:49 PM
@themessinator,

I'm a 2nd generation C&G'er. -_- But, I forum in Scripters a small amount and go to Scripting Helpers quite often. I'm not as active on C&G as I used to be.

~{An Intellectual In Love With Bacon}~
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trappingnoobs is not online. trappingnoobs
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28 Mar 2012 12:51 PM
"But, I forum in Scripters a small amount"

When you don't even know the name of the language in question it's really obvious you shouldn't be here.
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