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Re: Content Fraud & Protecting our Users [VOTE] (posted in RT + S&I)

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patrline is not online. patrline
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06 Mar 2012 10:30 PM
I'm posting this here as well because I feel many of you also express similar feelings towards place/content fraud. A tl;dr is offered at the voting link. Thanks for reading
-patrline

[VOTE]UserVoice: http://roblox.uservoice.com/forums/4658-roblox/suggestions/2659738-a-stance-against-roblox-place-stealing-fraud-a-pr#comments


Summary:
>> players that steal others' material … end up generating income, popularity, and credit for themselves.
>>This Place/Model fraud is crude, blatant robbery ... injustice to the creative place-building, game-making, and Lua-tinkering minds on ROBLOX.
>> a call for better place security, and action must taken against those who use stolen copies … for their own profit or benefit. This has been a serious issue ... has not been properly addressed
>>Bring back a Producer-Friendly Front Page

Dear ROBLOX Community + Administration Team:

I think I speak for everyone when I say that that place & model stealing/exploitation/fraud is a major issue that has not been properly addressed. The content-producing builders, scripters, and creative thinkers of ROBLOX deserve better protection for their creations and ideas. This general concept of “ROBLOX Fraud” needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later, and many of us think that 5+ years of dealing with it is long enough.

I. Content Fraud
II. Result of Fraud
III. Current Situation of Fraud
IV. How to Prevent Fraud

>>I. What is Content Fraud?

Content Fraud is a very serious issue on ROBLOX seen in illegitimately obtained places, models, and in other user-created content. This Place/Model fraud is crude, blatant robbery and an injustice to the creative place-building, game-making, and Lua-tinkering minds on ROBLOX.
This Fraud is whenever some one's place, model, or other creation is obtained by a 3rd party through means illegitimate or without the consent of the original owner of the content. Be it through exploitation, pass-guessing, scamming, or any other means, it’s robbery, plain and simple. It’s robbery of some one’s hard work and ideas.


>>II. Result of Fraud

An excellent example of the effects of Content Fraud is a parasitical relationship. Imagine the person who created the content as the host, and the person who is using the stolen content as the parasite. The parasite feeds directly off of the host for its own good. This is the same in ROBLOX. In over a majority of cases involving stolen content that is applied to a front-page game, the “parasite,” or user of the stolen content, will reap the benefits of the original owner’s efforts and work put into the content. Another spot-on example is of someone whose places are always seen on the Front Page, and all of their places are stolen. You know who I am referring to. That individual demonstrates just how easy it is to get your hands on someone else’s work and use it for your own advantage. The owner of the content is used as a source for someone else’s success, profit, and popularity.


>>III. Current Situation of Fraud

Currently, content stealing and exploitation is happening all the time. It’s easy for people to get a copy of whatever they want through illegitimate methods. Look on the Front Page, and scroll through the other pages of popular games and places. In many instances, you will see the same place, but maybe with a bit of icing on top to mask it from where it was originally derived. A decal here, a tweak there, and suddenly you have a winner. It’s extremely upsetting how often this happens to good scripters and builders and other content-producers alike, and is getting worse. Currently, there is no evident signs of moderators or the ROBLOX administrators making efforts to prevent Content Fraud. It seems that it is condoned by them in a manner that shows lows levels of concern for the players’ creations. No action is being taken against players with direct evidence of fraudulent content usage for their own reward. Again, you all know what I am talking about. The seemingly lack of concern for this issue by the ROBLOX Team is an injustice to the content-producing players of ROBLOX.


>>IV. How to Prevent Fraud

There are many methods that can be taken to reduce Content Fraud, and they aren’t all too hard to put into action. One method brought up by one of my colleagues is through compiling places. By giving people the ability to turn place data, the Lua, into binary, it becomes a lot harder to steal. More security measures in the ROBLOX Studio framework and ROBLOX Game should be taken overall. Exploits are reported all the time; they are out there and even though they are being dealt with, it’s not enough. Furthermore, I cannot stress how important it is to take acts against people who are committing Content Fraud. When there is a punishment involved for doing so, it will stop a lot of users from even thinking about using stolen content.


>>>In conclusion: ROBLOX’s standards for protecting user content are not high enough, and this lack of protection directly affects the community and content producers in a very negative manner. It needs to be addressed.


[VOTE]UserVoice: http://roblox.uservoice.com/forums/4658-roblox/suggestions/2659738-a-stance-against-roblox-place-stealing-fraud-a-pr#comments
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DrHaximus is not online. DrHaximus
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06 Mar 2012 10:33 PM
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patrline is not online. patrline
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06 Mar 2012 10:35 PM
I don't consider myself a minimod as frankly I don't feel their performance is up to par as it should be.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Mar 2012 10:37 PM
Stop reading my mind and posting what's in it!
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patrline is not online. patrline
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06 Mar 2012 10:38 PM
Please vote at the link and show this thread to anyone you think is also concerned. It will go a long way to getting this noticed by the admins.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Mar 2012 10:39 PM
At first, I was going to report you for the external link.

After reading the post, I decided not to, even if you actually broke the rules.

Also, I used my 3 votes on this.
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patrline is not online. patrline
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06 Mar 2012 10:40 PM
You're a good person, Julien.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Mar 2012 10:43 PM
I'm tempted to spam it with 500 votes... But I won't.
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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06 Mar 2012 11:00 PM
ROBLOX's framework makes me cringe. Especially since their 'patches' are just hiding it.
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Merlin11188 is not online. Merlin11188
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06 Mar 2012 11:24 PM
@Julien:
Can you actually spam stuff with 500 votes? The most I've gotten is 30.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Mar 2012 11:55 PM
@merlin11188

Just use fake addresses that don't even exist. It'll still work. xD
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bombpaw is not online. bombpaw
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07 Mar 2012 09:38 AM
Wow, he made this to work with the extension :D
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jode6543 is not online. jode6543
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07 Mar 2012 03:57 PM
+6. (I used my main and an alt.)
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patrline is not online. patrline
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08 Mar 2012 06:11 AM
hate to do this, but I'm going to be bumping this thread for the next few days. everyone be sure to spread awareness about this if you could, the help would be great.

thanks again
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owen0202 is not online. owen0202
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08 Mar 2012 10:24 AM
You can do haxy stuff like just scramble the hell out of your place.
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trappingnoobs is not online. trappingnoobs
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08 Mar 2012 10:27 AM
"You can do haxy stuff like just scramble the hell out of your place."

Great, another person foruming here who seems to have no idea what they're talking about.
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sncplay42 is not online. sncplay42
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08 Mar 2012 11:21 AM
Some points:

In order to play in a place, *most* of the data of that place has to be accessible to the client's RobloxApp, and therefore to their computer. People have control over their own computer. Therefore they can acquire this data. Find a way to fully prevent that and you can sell your DRM to some company for billions.

There are exceptions to "most" of course. Server-side scripts have no need to be replicated to the client (and the client certainly shouldn't be able to replicate server-side scripts to the server). So I agree that script security could be much better, and as scripts are the heart of many places, doing so would kill *most* stealing. I would recommend bringing that up if you're going to keep arguing for this.
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Sorcus is not online. Sorcus
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08 Mar 2012 01:42 PM
^

~Sorcus
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BrontoByte is not online. BrontoByte
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08 Mar 2012 01:55 PM
^

-thatkid
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owen0202 is not online. owen0202
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08 Mar 2012 02:33 PM
@trapping

Whilst I appreciate your completely unwarranted eletism, it really doesn't do much more than potray yourself as a jerk, funnily enough not for the first time either.

Scrambling the hell out of your place is a legitimate tactic, I've used it on several of my smaller mostly scripted places in the past.
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trappingnoobs is not online. trappingnoobs
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08 Mar 2012 04:11 PM
scrambled eggs
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aboy5643 is not online. aboy5643
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08 Mar 2012 04:17 PM
You win 3 votes for two reasons:

1. This is completely true, I agree with this, and I hate the fact that this is so widely exploited
2. It was well-written, which is surprising from a Roblox user seeing as very few can even use proper grammar or spelling here.
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TheCapacitor is not online. TheCapacitor
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08 Mar 2012 04:19 PM
TL;DR

Completely off topic, get out :)
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aboy5643 is not online. aboy5643
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08 Mar 2012 04:20 PM
@TheCrapacitor

Nou
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BrontoByte is not online. BrontoByte
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08 Mar 2012 04:59 PM
@aboy

wataboutme

WHERES THE LOVE MAN

-thatkid
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