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Re: Ron Paul believes "no GOVERNMENT relief for tornado victims"

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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 08:59 PM
I agree on the basis that you know what your problems are, so plan accordingly.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 09:07 PM
I would expect the government to help me rebuild my house if my insurance couldn't.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 09:14 PM
The thing is, their insurance CAN help them rebuild it, if they purchased it. I got bashed for this belief quiet recently.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 09:19 PM
I say government relief is abosolutely necessary.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 09:19 PM
I agree.

Let the local/state governments handle it.


It the tornados covered a large range of states, then the Federal Government could step in.


In this case, it is unnecessary.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 09:20 PM
Jhanto, America is different, its not a Unitary state like New Zealand.


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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 09:21 PM
@Jhano- You're talking to somebody who believes that the Government should only be there to protect the rights of their citizens, not provide a cushiony place for them to live.

@Pepper-

I don't really think even then the government should step in, unless the state/local governments cannot adequately protect its citizens.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 09:22 PM
The federal government needs to fund the local government then.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 09:23 PM
The local governments can fund themselves.

Thats the beauty of capitalism.


Also that is why their is a State tax.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 09:28 PM
*there


blech...
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:01 PM
Capitalism doesn't say we can't share.
Any way NZ is one big united state why does america have to be split up.
That's how civil war starts.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 10:04 PM
"Capitalism doesn't say we can't share."

Sharing implies that it's voluntary.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:06 PM
In capitalism we have an option to share.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 10:06 PM
Once again, sharing implies it's voluntary.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 10:06 PM
-.-


America is a federation, not a confederation.

Anyway, England is a single state and IT had a civil war.


The federal authority is more powerful than state, but comes to a point, just like state authority.


What the federal government is suppose to do is stated in the preamble of the constitution.

Also an article within the constitution states that anything not said in the constitution is reserved for the states.

If something happens like an attack from another country, that is an attack on not just that state, but the entire nation.

But if it is a natural disaster like the tornados, that is a problem for that state. The federal government has more important matters to deal with. I can tell you, the states do a better job at organizing these things than the federal government can ever do.
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04 Mar 2012 10:08 PM
@jhanto

If you are sharing out of your own will, that is good.


If the government forces you to share, that is communism and tyrannical
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:09 PM
Sometimes people must pull together.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:09 PM
And no the NZ goverment does not force sharing I think it's just good too.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 10:10 PM
The tornadoes that happened in Indiana are no business of Pennsylvania, Ohio Alaska or any other state. IT IS INDIANA'S PROBLEM.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 10:11 PM
^
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 10:11 PM
@jhanto


Government forcing you to share also implies taking most of your income in taxes and gives it to itself.


in a communist system they say they give it to the 'poor' but really its given to the dictator and his buddies

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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:12 PM
LOL.
American: My house burned down in a fire.
Other American: That sounds like a you problem.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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04 Mar 2012 10:14 PM
But I say when tragedy strikes a nation the goverment can't just sit there and pretend it's someone elses problem. And no I don't support forced sharing.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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04 Mar 2012 10:14 PM
Problem?




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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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04 Mar 2012 10:16 PM
"strikes a nation"

It has to affect the whole nation, not just one state such as the tornadoes.
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