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Re: North European economies and politics - should the rest of the world use them as a model for their own?

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n00bythegr3y is not online. n00bythegr3y
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04 Mar 2012 08:21 PM
Northern European countries (Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and in some people opinions, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania) have had pretty good economies, even after the fall of the Soviet Union. So I ask you, WWC, should we try and remodel our governments and improve our economies to those of the North European countries?
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sinii is not online. sinii
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04 Mar 2012 08:26 PM
The Baltic countries are of East Europe, except Latvia, which is part of Неll Europe.
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n00bythegr3y is not online. n00bythegr3y
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04 Mar 2012 08:28 PM
Notice how I said "In some peoples opinions".
Some people consider them to be part of North Europe, considering that Latvia is almost level with southern Norway.
Lithuania is also about level with Denmark.
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Branch14 is not online. Branch14
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04 Mar 2012 08:31 PM
Ignore Sinii, He likes to be a jackass.
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I think we should follow Germany's economic record, Honestly.
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Branch14 is not online. Branch14
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04 Mar 2012 08:32 PM
Well, We already use their system. Just not the way they do things.
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n00bythegr3y is not online. n00bythegr3y
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04 Mar 2012 08:36 PM
I guess the German system is pretty good. The only down-side for the German economy is the needs coming from countries in the EU, so they have accumulated lots of debt.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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04 Mar 2012 08:37 PM
Unless you're a country with a small, ho..m.ogenous population and tons of natural resources, the Northern European model won't work.
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sinii is not online. sinii
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04 Mar 2012 08:39 PM
"Notice how I said "In some peoples opinions".
Some people consider them to be part of North Europe, considering that Latvia is almost level with southern Norway.
Lithuania is also about level with Denmark."

By that logic, United Kingdom and Ireland are also part of North Europe.
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n00bythegr3y is not online. n00bythegr3y
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04 Mar 2012 08:41 PM
"By that logic, United Kingdom and Ireland are also part of North Europe."

Scotland is more or less North European. The Scottish language is very similar to that of the old Norwegian, but they are just too south to be considered part of North Europe.
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GuntherVonHaagens is not online. GuntherVonHaagens
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05 Mar 2012 02:06 AM
We can't be considered any part of Europe, if you look closely we actually have SEAS cutting us off from Europe.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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05 Mar 2012 02:30 AM
Germanys economic success is due to a lot of factors which cannot be replicated by other countries, like, geography.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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05 Mar 2012 04:44 AM
@Thorae
Can you actually prove me demographics matter that much?
About resources:
"The largest sector of the economy is services at 66%, followed by manufacturing and refining at 31%. Primary production is 2.9%.[59]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Economy

@OP
>Government
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PayloadOfPens is not online. PayloadOfPens
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05 Mar 2012 11:38 AM
The problem I find in this moedl is that north european countries are kind of in debt.
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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05 Mar 2012 11:41 AM
The UK *IS* north Europe.


Again, in another attempt to be a wisemouth, you have failed.
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GuntherVonHaagens is not online. GuntherVonHaagens
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05 Mar 2012 11:59 AM
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no it isn't
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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05 Mar 2012 12:11 PM
'Northern Europe' into Wikipedia.
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GuntherVonHaagens is not online. GuntherVonHaagens
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05 Mar 2012 12:15 PM
Wikipedia is lies
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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05 Mar 2012 01:39 PM
Can you actually prove me demographics matter that much?
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It's a well known fact that minorities in any country make up the poorest segments of society. African Americans in the US. Inuits in Canada. Gypsies in Europe. Aborigines in Australia.

"The largest sector of the economy is services at 66%, followed by manufacturing and refining at 31%. Primary production is 2.9%.[59]"
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It's more about the small population. Five million people. But wait. Refining?
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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05 Mar 2012 02:20 PM
I'm sure that can be solved with an early education with people of the other group, making sure that the people know their rights and with all the welfare the state gives.

"It's more about the small population. Five million people."

I don't really see why would the size of the population change anything. Even if it did, the Nordic Model could be at least applied to one state.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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05 Mar 2012 03:08 PM
I'm sure that can be solved with an early education with people of the other group, making sure that the people know their rights and with all the welfare the state gives.
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If only it were that simple! The problem of impoverished minorities seems to be lasting and without any clear solution.

I don't really see why would the size of the population change anything. Even if it did, the Nordic Model could be at least applied to one state.
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With a great population comes great problems. Finland doesn't need to devote many resources to its military, and it's been shown that crime disproportionately increases with population, so it doesn't seem to devote many resources to law enforcement.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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05 Mar 2012 03:18 PM
"If only it were that simple! The problem of impoverished minorities seems to be lasting and without any clear solution."

Well, at least Finland is trying to solve the problem.

"Finland doesn't need to devote many resources to its military,"

Considering it is next to Russia and in NATO, it SHOULD do so, it just doesn't do it, and that's something to emulate.

"and it's been shown that crime disproportionately increases with population, so it doesn't seem to devote many resources to law enforcement."

The following things could help:
Getting rid of poverty or at least reduce it
Bringing communities closer (this could at least be done in the states with a low population density)
Reducing gun control
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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05 Mar 2012 04:21 PM
Well, at least Finland is trying to solve the problem.
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But Finland doesn't have this problem anywhere near the level of most other industrialized nations. It just naturally doesn't. Every country tries to solve the problem. The US has affirmative action, educational programs, welfare programs, etc. - but there's only a limit to how far they can go. The US actually spends more per capita on social welfare than any other nation, controlling for healthcare costs.

Considering it is next to Russia and in NATO, it SHOULD do so, it just doesn't do it, and that's something to emulate.
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Finland isn't in NATO. There really is no Russian threat anymore. Nobody expects Finland to be strong military because of how small it is. It's lucky.

Getting rid of poverty or at least reduce it
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Ideas?

Bringing communities closer (this could at least be done in the states with a low population density)
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Ideas?
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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05 Mar 2012 04:47 PM
"But Finland doesn't have this problem anywhere near the level of most other industrialized nations."

And why do you think it doesn't?
I'm going to give you another example, my own country.
"Si bien los niveles de pobreza e indigencia se han reducido significativamente en los últimos años (pasando de 33,5% en 2006 a 2009 en 20,9), aún presenta niveles altos de incidencia entre los niños y adolescentes (37,8% en los niños y 31,5 en los adolescentes)."
http://goo.gl/BMw6p

It's in spanish but I'm sure you can understand at least the general idea and the numbers.

"Ideas?"

Welfare, obviously (Note here: I'm playing devil's advocate here, you know my real ideas very well)

"Nobody expects Finland to be strong military because of how small it is."

I'm size IN PROPORTION to the population.

"Ideas?"

Promoting voluntary groups, using housing programmes which build flats rather than separate houses
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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05 Mar 2012 04:58 PM
Scandinavia has a good political system, don't get me wrong.

But I doubt this would work throughout most of Africa and the desert-bits of Asia. Scandinavia is good land, filled with useful resources.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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05 Mar 2012 05:00 PM
Then again Scandinavia is one of these places with a particularly high suicide rate so who knows? lol
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