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Re: The TRA Admin Attack and Superclans: An Opinion.

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BenzBot is online. BenzBot
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01 Mar 2012 07:09 AM
DISCLAIMER: I was not a part of or affiliated with TRA or the attack. I am just a Robloxian commenting on events of the past few days.

The TRA Admin Attack was truly interesting. A few Robloxians hacked a TRA HR's account to exile 6,000 members. It could be regarded as a large news event.

But was it necessary? Are superclans as we know them already falling apart?

Now I have been on the C&G before. I've been called names and have been given threats in the past. But I am strong, and I can and will fight for my opinions, and not even the biggest noobs in Robloxia can stop me.

TRA was in the same boat with the Vaktovian Empire, FEAR, RAT, UCR, and many other groups referred to as "superclans". And the majority of Robloxia does not like these groups, mainly attacking FEAR, the largest. But TRA was also a clan that its members thought were too big to fail. But, when in the hands of the right people, any clan can start to fall. Take a look at some of these groups right now: UCR. Just over 30,000 members, and over 25,000 of them are in the lowest rank. About 720 people are in the highest ranks (5-9), and they are the ones who are making the decisions for the other 29,380 members. These people, although some of them could have had friends up top who could've hacked to let them up there -- possibly even with similar motives to those of the TRA Admin Attackers. TRA has about 1100 more members than UCR. And yet, similar situations arise: Almost 25,000 members in the lowest rank. But in TRA, a mere 86 people are in the top five ranks. EIGHTY-SIX PEOPLE. Over 30,200 people are getting no real choice and are just sitting there. I can clearly see why people would want to Admin Attack TRA. There is too much power spread across too few people. And this is not just in the smaller superclans. Let's look at RAT. Just over 73,000 members. 57,000 of those people are lowest rank. 528 people are controlling the group's top five ranks.

And how do we know that they weren't somehow gotten there unfairly?

We don't.

These major clans are really just big organizations that are trying to benefit from the stupidity and innocence of Robloxians.

And let's not forget about FEAR, the mac-daddy of all superclans, with over 112,000 members. Just over 75,000 Privates. 324 people are in the top five ranks. 112,100 members are being ignored.

And how do they cover these mass discrepancies up?

GROUP EVENTS.

Trainings, elections, bases and other activities to make the lower ranks do what these controlling powers can't do themselves.

Trainings make lower members feel engaged in the group, although they really are just lining the place creator (AKA the group leader's pockets and just helping the group keep control over the lower ranks.

Elections attempt to give lower ranks a voice, but are the LR's voices really being heard? Or is it just more people coming into the scheme?

FEAR, RAT, UCR, etc. have low ranks guard the bases and fight off relatively small groups' attacks.

And when someone tries to speak up about this injustice, the high ranks strike back by exiling or demoting said member, basically trying to keep the reality of the situation under wraps and their mouths shut.

And are these superclans just falling apart anyway? Do we ever hear of big news from ColourTheory or SONICTHEHEDGEHOGXX anymore? Does anyone really care about these superclans and their people anymore? Is there even a need for existance of these groups today? Because there are no real updates or word from these clans anymore. And when it is, it's just about the next training or promotion spree or election! Nobody really cares anymore! DO WE EVEN HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE HIGH RANKS ANYMORE? When was the last time a highrank did something meaningful to you or for you -- and not just a promotion, a helpful thought or actually coming to assist you in something you needed help with?

So in all reality, these superclans were created to benefit the highest powers...

at the expense of thousands of members.

Which only makes these members want to revolt against the group the higher ranks think that these members are loyal to.

And when it happens, who makes the biggest deal out of it? The high ranks, who want to protect their bottom line and keep the majority from ruling.

So to TRA, you had this attack coming. And to the other superclans, you are not safe either. And to anybody who agrees with me, go ahead. AA. Create a mass protest. Go ahead. Help finally kill these corrupt superclans once and for all. And to the high ranks of these superclans, you can bribe and beg and do whatever you can to try to get me to shut up, but I won't, because you're part of a corrupt organization that is slowly falling. And there is nothing you can do about it.

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kyman99 is not online. kyman99
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01 Mar 2012 07:12 AM
The account was never hacked.


He gave his p@$$ away.
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BAUER102 is not online. BAUER102
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01 Mar 2012 07:17 AM
'Now I have been on the C&G before.'


88 Posts, sure..
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Xnite515 is not online. Xnite515
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01 Mar 2012 07:21 AM
Your primary sounds cool.
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eletrowiz is not online. eletrowiz
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01 Mar 2012 07:22 AM
@BAU,
Means he has posted before, not that he is a C&Ger, read some more.

I support, for if all the clans on front page got dissolved, small clans would benefit greatly. Basically right now we have a monopoly of groups.
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eletrowiz is not online. eletrowiz
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01 Mar 2012 07:24 AM
Imma keep this running.
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cmsmith6789 is not online. cmsmith6789
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01 Mar 2012 07:28 AM
There will always be groups on the front page. Thus you always having targets.
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kaelan01 is not online. kaelan01
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01 Mar 2012 07:29 AM
so, have you ever actually been in one of the groups you're attacking?
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eletrowiz is not online. eletrowiz
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01 Mar 2012 07:31 AM
@cmsmith, Yes but at 110k, this is too much, it basically means that FEAR controls a large chunk, and if all soldiers follow orders then that means about 100 HRs have control of a giant part of ROBLOX. Too much power.
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eletrowiz is not online. eletrowiz
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01 Mar 2012 07:42 AM
Bump
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kingzeb is not online. kingzeb
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01 Mar 2012 07:43 AM
TL;DR= Read every other thread. We already know everything to do with it.
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BenzBot is online. BenzBot
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01 Mar 2012 04:41 PM
@kyman Thank you for the correction.
@BAUER 86 of those posts are on RT.
@Xnite Thank you for your feedback on my primary group. I suggest joining.
@eletro I think so as well. And please help me keep interest going in this thread.
@cmsmith While the first part of your sentence is true, the second is not. In the part of the post you are referring to, I was explaining about how the model used my these superclans is very flawed.
@kaelan I have been in FEAR before, but I am not in there now.
@kingzeb Or do you really?
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kaelan01 is not online. kaelan01
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01 Mar 2012 04:43 PM
I don't know about FEAR, I've never been in it.

but, not all the superclans are too bad, try them out before judging them.
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fooger is not online. fooger
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01 Mar 2012 04:44 PM
Hi there :3
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Tonitoni is not online. Tonitoni
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01 Mar 2012 04:44 PM
Derp. We had 83 HRs after everyone from Colonel and down to sergeant got exiled. Please get your facts straight.
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Nickelodeondude123 is not online. Nickelodeondude123
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01 Mar 2012 04:44 PM
I stopped reading at "A few Robloxians hacked a TRA HR's account to exile 6,000 members"

invalid information
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Superburke1 is not online. Superburke1
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01 Mar 2012 04:45 PM
@nick

stop hating.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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01 Mar 2012 04:47 PM
I script, make models for my members, provide access to APN tech they can benefit from, offer leadership support, make a few ads, custom make recruitment letters for groups, try to work out personal problems members have, provide leadership training, offer valuable insight on their ideas, and try to generally make APN fun.

I genuinely want to make people happy and better my members. I hope that's evident to other people, and if not, I'm going to do it more.
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Nickelodeondude123 is not online. Nickelodeondude123
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01 Mar 2012 04:47 PM
@Superburke1

C&G must know the truth. I am not hating (even though I don't like you)
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LadySerenity is not online. LadySerenity
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01 Mar 2012 04:51 PM
Nick, that's the truth in your opinion. Trick was teamviewing Shilo when she went on his account and took his pash.
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HoneyMonster111 is not online. HoneyMonster111
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01 Mar 2012 04:52 PM
tl;dr
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Tonitoni is not online. Tonitoni
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01 Mar 2012 04:56 PM
About the teamview thing. When you type in a pass. It shows black dots, not the pass word. How did he see it via that then?
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xDestinySwordx is not online. xDestinySwordx
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01 Mar 2012 04:58 PM
I stopped reading at "They hacked an HR's account"
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BenzBot is online. BenzBot
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01 Mar 2012 05:08 PM
@kaelan That is your opinion, I respect that, and I think I will take your advice.
@fooger Hi.
@Tonitoni I only had information available from the time of the writing of the post. If it was different before, I thank you for the correction.
@Nickelodeon, @xDestiny Kyman99 corrected me on that earlier.
@Reaven I support the work that you are doing in APN, now that you have made it known that you do that.
@Tonitoni That is a very good question.
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laffydecious is not online. laffydecious
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03 Mar 2012 05:37 AM
Some of that was wrong. But you have generally got the right idea about the situation.

~LaffyDecious, doin' stuff since 2010.
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