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Re: "Upper classes 'more likely to lie and cheat'"

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History0111 is not online. History0111
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28 Feb 2012 09:10 AM
http://www.tele
graph.co.uk/science/science-news/91
09391/Upper-classes-more-likely-to-lie-and-cheat.html

I'm going to make emphasis on one thing:

"Being in a higher social class – either by bir th or attainment – had a “causal relationship to unethical decision-making and behaviour”, they concluded."
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28 Feb 2012 10:56 AM
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gamer326 is not online. gamer326
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28 Feb 2012 02:41 PM
I don't think this study's conclusions will pan out because it depends very heavily on the individual personality, something that can be fluid.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 02:44 PM
Can you just stop hating on rich people? It's getting annoying.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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28 Feb 2012 02:50 PM
I see that you have run out of arguments. View it as hating if you want, I'm trying to make a point here.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 02:55 PM
You've been posting nuanced versions of the same studies for weeks. What am I supposed to say?
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28 Feb 2012 02:57 PM
Correlation/causation.

I also believe the study's conclusions will not pan out because there are too many variables.1 Also,

“It’s not that the rich are innately bad, but as you rise in the ranks -- whether as a person or a nonhuman primate -- you become more self-focused,” Piff said.

1.Personality, which is fluid.
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gamer326 is not online. gamer326
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28 Feb 2012 02:57 PM
Sorry...

Correlation =/= causation
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28 Feb 2012 02:59 PM
Also,

''Study Design Criticized

Meredith McGinley, an assistant professor at Chatham University in Pittsburgh who wasn’t involved in the study, was critical of how some of the experiments were designed.

The car test complicates the results because having a flashy car doesn’t necessarily mean the driver is wealthy, said McGinley, who studies positive social behavior. In the experiment involving candy, the participants were told they could have it even though children were waiting for it. They may have felt they were doing nothing wrong, she said.

In the candy test, 129 undergraduates were manipulated to view themselves as wealthy or poor. They were then presented with a jar of individually wrapped candy, which researchers said would go to children in a nearby lab, though the participants could take some if they wanted. The undergraduates believing themselves to be upper income took more than those believing themselves to be low income, the study found.

Erik Gordon, a business professor at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, wasn’t surprised by the results, he said. ''
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28 Feb 2012 03:02 PM
"You've been posting nuanced versions of the same studies for weeks. What am I supposed to say?"

For weeks? I have only posted 2 (and just a few days ago...), and one of them was concentrated on poor people.

"I also believe the study's conclusions will not pan out because there are too many variables."

I don't really understand what's so important, either wealth changes people, or rich people need those traits to achieve success.
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28 Feb 2012 03:13 PM
For weeks? I have only posted 2 (and just a few days ago...), and one of them was concentrated on poor people.
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I don't mean you specifically. I've seen a few from other people.

I don't really understand what's so important,
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Why post unimportant studies?
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28 Feb 2012 03:20 PM
"I don't mean you specifically. I've seen a few from other people."

Yes, you did.

"Why post unimportant studies?"

*facepalm*

I was talking about the variables...
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 03:27 PM
Other people have posted nuanced studies.

I was talking about the variables...
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Misread it.

But I think you're reading too much into these studies.
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28 Feb 2012 03:32 PM
Why do you think that?
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 03:39 PM
How much more likely are the upper classes to cheat?
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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28 Feb 2012 03:46 PM
I don't have the numbers (you need to pay to view the study).
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 03:49 PM
Then I'd surmise that the difference is only marginal.
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28 Feb 2012 04:22 PM
A low percentage of the US and the world is upper class. Some call it the 1%. Now if 10 of those upper class people do something they are now the highest percent to cheat. More lower class and middle class people cheat and lie, just a higher percentage of Upper class people do lie and cheat.
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RobloxMaurader is not online. RobloxMaurader
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28 Feb 2012 04:30 PM
well thats british people all of them lie and cheat
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28 Feb 2012 04:30 PM
If we don't know what the actual numbers are, then we really can't say if the difference is marginal or extreme. We're stuck with uncertainty.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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28 Feb 2012 05:00 PM
Yeah. We can't, which is why I said surmise.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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28 Feb 2012 05:01 PM
Poor people dont have the ability to lie and cheat like rich peopel do.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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28 Feb 2012 05:02 PM
Rich people have no reason to break into people's houses and commit violent crimes for money. It works both ways.
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28 Feb 2012 05:33 PM

Message: Rich people have no reason to break into people's houses and commit violent crimes for money. It works both ways.
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Ojay Simpson bro.
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28 Feb 2012 05:35 PM
Touche, but compare Upper class crime rates to the lower class crime rates.
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