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Re: Poorness is not defined on how much you own, but it is a state of mind.

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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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25 Feb 2012 02:55 PM
Sure, when your perspective is through the rich guy's eyes, by your definition is that the other guy is poor.

However, when you look through the poor guy's perspective he has the sense of being the richest person in the world. This is because he has the opportunity and the will power to become richer because he knows the harder he works, the more her will earn and his life will be much better tomorrow than it was yesterday. As you can see, China is currently booming, but to our perspective they are obviously poor. Ever day, China is becoming better. Communism is dying away, as capital grows and the power of the people is slowly taking control. This is where government is not needed, government is terrible on organizing things. As Ronald Reagan puts it, Government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem. Government is only entitled to establish justice, provide a common defense, promote the general welfare, ensure domestic tranquility and secure the blessings of liberty.

When a poor person is in the poor state of mind, it means either he has given up, flat out lazy, or oppressed by those who seek to take advantage. This is where government needs to step in and fight for those who cant defend themselves. By doing that it must create an environment where everyone has the opportunity of success. Government has the obligation to bust the trusts, destroy the monopolies for competition to thrive. It must create a low flat tax for all, because that will ensure everyone gets exactly what they have earned, and not taken by the government. This will let the people to be free to produce, more government control over how much someone earns will destroy the very nature, ambition, and motivation to work hard, then this will lead to the bankruptcy and dissolution of a nation.

As long as this happens, no matter how much you own or your social class, everyone is rich in heart.



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MASTERLUKE755 is not online. MASTERLUKE755
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25 Feb 2012 03:51 PM
True.
There will always be somebody richer and poorer than you. However, poverty and richness is also what you think, know, and want to learn from others. Also, to add, wealthy people have better body language, rather then their poorer colleagues who are shy to introduce themselves and to make eye contact. If you have good body language it is more likely to land you a job. If you think richly, you can become the same.
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PigIron is not online. PigIron
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25 Feb 2012 04:57 PM
Right.
Poor people are poor BECAUSE they have little money. Not that they lack motivation.
Also, a flat tax would only serve the already rich, because NOT EVERY ONE HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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25 Feb 2012 05:15 PM
^ Proven wrong in the '80s
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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25 Feb 2012 05:31 PM
Poverty is also a result of the state of mind of poorness.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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25 Feb 2012 05:34 PM
Good argument.

The only problem is that business cycles still occur in a free market economy that behaves exactly according to Classical Theory. Oops.

If Marx is to be believed (and his economics was quite good) then there will be a trend towards progessively worse contractions. There becomes a point at which the market has no natural mechanism to get itself out of a depression.

Keynes suggests that since government is the only entity able to spend during a recession, government should bail the market out. Is this the right idea? Possibly not, WW2 did much more to relieve the Great Depression than the New Deal did.

The moral of this is that government may have to step in and do something more than you suggest. Classical Theory casts an embarrasing reliance on the assumption that the future is known. This is obviously false, and people have this nasty tendency to save their money. Uncertainty conspires to doom capitalism in a very real sense.

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History0111 is not online. History0111
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25 Feb 2012 06:12 PM
"However, when you look through the poor guy's perspective he has the sense of being the richest person in the world."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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PigIron is not online. PigIron
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25 Feb 2012 06:16 PM
Anyway, economics isn't my specialty, I argue on mostly social issues.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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25 Feb 2012 10:55 PM
You'll have to remember that money isn't the only thing in this world that defines who is poor and who is rich, History.
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DrCaneJralt2 is not online. DrCaneJralt2
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25 Feb 2012 11:00 PM
There is a BIG difference between poor people in different nations. You can have poor people in America who feel it is an inherited right for them to get welfare. Then you have people in Germany who almost feel as government handouts are a mark of Shame.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 07:22 AM
"You'll have to remember that money isn't the only thing in this world that defines who is poor and who is rich, History."

That doesn't change that the statement I replied to is idiotic.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 05:11 PM
Actually, he has a point; some of the people who are poor monetarily still feel like they are the richest alive. They generally tend to be sappy kinds of people, however.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 05:56 PM
With "some" you mean almost nobody, right?
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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26 Feb 2012 05:57 PM
If you think nobody thinks this, then you need to get out of the house.

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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 06:01 PM
If you can't read properly, then you need to go to school.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 06:03 PM
No, I don't. For a long time I was considered "poor" (single parent working, living in a trailer moving quiet a bit, living on food stamps from time to time, said parent not eating some nights to feed my brother and I) and I thought we were rich. We didn't need money. We wanted things yes, but everybody wants soemthing.
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comwizard is not online. comwizard
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26 Feb 2012 06:06 PM
tl;dr
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 06:08 PM
Then why comment if it was tl;dr?
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 06:10 PM
"No, I don't. For a long time I was considered "poor" (single parent working, living in a trailer moving quiet a bit, living on food stamps from time to time, said parent not eating some nights to feed my brother and I) and I thought we were rich. We didn't need money. We wanted things yes, but everybody wants soemthing."

Since when do you count as more that a few?
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TaxRevenue is not online. TaxRevenue
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26 Feb 2012 06:10 PM
@jinxy

He only commented because he wanted to gain an extra forum post, that's why.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 06:11 PM
What a ridicilous notion.
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As for being counted as one of the few- I'm merely sighting a personal incident which reveals that not all people think that way. I may be materialistcal to you, but I am a person of many levels and complexities.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 06:13 PM
I didn't say NOBODY did, can anyone stop making Straw Man fallacies?
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 06:17 PM
I'm not throwing any straw-men up.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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26 Feb 2012 06:23 PM
>Almost nobody
>Both of you talk about how there ARE people who think that (which I never disputed)
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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26 Feb 2012 06:25 PM
You can't have "almost nobody" it's like being "almost with child."
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