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Re: @Conservatives.

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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
Joined: 21 Feb 2012
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23 Feb 2012 08:51 PM
You all need to realize that we can't keep living in the past. People, traditions and beliefs change overtime and although it may be hard we have to accept that.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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23 Feb 2012 09:07 PM
Conservative (ironically) doesn't mean what it used to. It used to mean being resistant to change but now it doesn't.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:09 PM
Than what is it. If you do want change you're not conservative. So just let things change it may be for better or worse. But change is good.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:11 PM
Have you ever heard of a progressive conservative before?

Please don't make stupid arguments without all the facts. :)
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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23 Feb 2012 09:13 PM
In the West it usually means free markets, gun rights, more religious, pro-life.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:15 PM
>Progressive conservative.
LOL. Imposible they're probably hypercrits.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:19 PM
Progressive conservative party. Look it up. The exist, you are a hypocrite. Liberals like you say you are tolerant of everyone's opinion, but hen feel shocked and insulted to discover there are other opinions.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:21 PM
P.s.
Progressive conservative is just a political party, not an actual political belief. They are center right there is no such thing as progressive conservatism.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:23 PM
Yes there are. I am one. You are obviously not progressive if you can't even progress your brain enought to understand that people have opinions that you never heard of.

I believe we need to keep some traditions, but we also need to progress. For example, I believe immigrants should keep their own culture, but should also try to adapt to Canadian culture somewhat too.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:27 PM
Learn from the past to progress to the future.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:28 PM
I was not shocked to find out there are other opinions. Liberals can have opinions aswell.
Also I am not uber liberal I am center left, and just because you support the party doesn't mean it's an actual political belief a term for you could be a right wing centrist conservative. In NZ there is a party called the national party and they are not nationalist. They are center right.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:31 PM
Congratulations, you compared new Zealand to Canadian politics. Your logic implies that the USA is not made up of united states. It is. That's a name that goes with its reality. So why can't progressive conservatives go with reality? You also dismissed my point on m a progressive conservative.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:36 PM
>Your logic implies that the USA is not made up of united states.
The fact that you think my logic implies that makes me question your intelligence. Although I am interested to know why you think it does.
>You also dismissed my point on m a progressive conservative.
What? Next time be more specific about exactly what I dismissed.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:38 PM
Well you certainly implied tha since one party lies, that means this one must lie, and with that logic, everyone does.

Also, you disregarded the my belief on traditional values and progressive values.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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23 Feb 2012 09:44 PM
>Well you certainly implied tha since one party lies, that means this one must lie, and with that logic, everyone does.
I never said that the PC party lies. I just said the fact that you're calling it an actual political belief isn't true.
>Also, you disregarded the my belief on traditional values and progressive values.
I didn't disregard them I had nothing to say about them.
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smrty is not online. smrty
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23 Feb 2012 09:55 PM
It is an actual political belief. I am a progressive conservative. Also, that proves my point. You say that there is no such thing as a PC yet you have no argument against my PC views.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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23 Feb 2012 10:12 PM
Progressive conservatism;

Capitalism + advancement of human knowledge

A simple element in libertarianism


Conservative conservatism is a different story.

This can lead to extremism and knuckleheads
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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25 Feb 2012 02:01 AM
Thank you pepper for smacking this guy straight.
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SolarSentient is not online. SolarSentient
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25 Feb 2012 02:25 AM
The only constant is change, although some of the things liberals say, I disagree with.
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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25 Feb 2012 03:17 AM
@solar
So you agree with me about the whole change thing?
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LibyanFreedomFighter is not online. LibyanFreedomFighter
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25 Feb 2012 08:02 AM
guys avogadro isnt conservative anymore. he told me yesterday that his aunt (the one whos in republican party) left the party because the officials insulted her and so on. at the same time, while avogadro was passing by a grocery store he saw a poor man begging for money. his aunt told him not to give money for the poor, but he felt obligated to give money for the poor. when he gave the money, his aunt and uncle yelled at him at home later. his liberal cousin explained him how economics actually works and he became liberal. he is going to democratic party meetings around oregon and wyoming
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jhano1234567 is not online. jhano1234567
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25 Feb 2012 10:39 PM
That's very good. The only reason I don't give money to homeless people is that I never see them begging. The only place you see the homeless in Auckland is the CBD, and I'm hardly ever there so, yeah.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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25 Feb 2012 11:15 PM
Conservatives aren't afraid of all change. They just are more resistant to them than others.
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DrCaneJralt2 is not online. DrCaneJralt2
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25 Feb 2012 11:18 PM
Republicans/Conservatives- Support the rich and wealthy business men who don't contribute to society outside of telling people what to do.

Democrats/Liberals- Support the dirt poor who collect welfare and don't contribute to society out of small temp jobs here and there.

Either way the middle class gets screwed.
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LibyanFreedomFighter is not online. LibyanFreedomFighter
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26 Feb 2012 06:24 AM
guys it was joke
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