Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:32 AM |
This thread might be pretty long, I don't really know. But I am trying to make a serious point. So if your going to post a tl;dr I do appreciate it.
So, I was watching RSF raid X-101st earlier and saw RSF declare an auto win. Then realised the same happened pretty much with UP against JC. Then I considered it, this is very often how a ROBLOX war is won nowadays. Your going to probably mention my join date, please don't, it's just a date.
ROBLOX wars used to be fought in unfair battle grounds with unfair advantages for whoever did not own the base, I could name many bases like this. I believe the most popular was the X-101st recruitment center, you could attempt to break in. Get some carbines and take over. Even though the base was unfair it was one of the most fun to raid. As I am sure many of you will agree.
Likewise, there used to be no such a thing as auto wins. I don't see any logic behind them really. You can't win based on somebody choosing to remove you from there game. It's unfair, sure. But at your base you can do the same back. It's perfectly fair if both of you use it against each other, and I see no reason not to. It's a bit like sport, teams more often win at home grounds.
Ways in for raiders, I don't get this? Why would you want to purposely provide a point of entry for your enemy? I mean, every HQ has it's flaws. But when you can just waltz straight up and over a fence it seems pointless.
How can you truly dominate a group if you only control one of there bases. I don't see reason behind it. In a real war as long as they have use of there other bases they can surely still attack.
I've also seen people complaining about the weapons. If the owner of the base has unfair weapons, who cares. It's there choice. If you were really that bothered about it, you would surely give them your own weapons, as there the ones your trained with, so you can use them.
That's pretty much the main flaws over. I'm sure I could think of more. But how could we combat these? I'd like to, with the help of many other group leaders, set up a system that the C&G council can monitor. This means, official rules that war groups can choose to follow. I say choose as not everybody will agree, and may want there own ones. But it would make wars function a lot better than they do currently.
Here are some of my ideas we could involve into ROBLOX war at the moment.
Currently, you win a raid by taking over the base of the target group. I don't think this shows any skill as they've given you a path straight in to take for the win. Instead, it should be measured on skill, such as amounted KOs by each team. When a raid stars each KO is logged for the next 10-20 minutes. The team with the most KOs is declared winner of the raid.
Land percentage owners, this is an idea I've seen attempted a little bit before. It's closely based off the original warzone idea. You scedule a time with the enemy at a certain warzone. It works a little bit like a tug of war. You push the enemy as far back into there end of the warzone as possible until there team are sqaushed up to say > 15% of the map.
I have some more ideas, but rather than me carrying on, why not state some flaws that could be fixed or suggestions that we could possibly try to get done.
This is just an idea though, so I am not really concerned if you agree with any of the above or not. I only care on your opinion of the current state of wars.
Likewise, if you'd be willing you support this rethink. PM me.
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:34 AM |
Not officially, no, I want to get some completed that actually listen to C&G. Rather than just this stupid 'auto win' phase.
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:36 AM |
It's WIJs game though. It doesn't suit every group.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:36 AM |
There isn't rules of war. It's impossible to control war between groups. Groups can declare false victory all they want, but the better known victory is determined by the number of people that knows or supports it. |
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catlord5
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:37 AM |
There have been written documentations in the past trying to create rules for ROBLOXian warfare, such as the one written by Swimaniac. However, seeing as we lack the power to enforce the rules, they never were succesful.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:40 AM |
vade supports because it's a girl.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:41 AM |
Valone, I'm glad someone is trying to change war in roblox for the better.
I'd like to be apart of this. Do you have an xf? If so add me.
Time to change. |
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:42 AM |
| @Catlord: There have been previous documents based on the rules of war. None of them were successful, but they were little effective. I know of the saying, "Your Base, Your Rules." |
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:44 AM |
These don't need enforcing. They just need to be recognised. If your group is using them in a war against somebody whos not, your rules are backed, making them far more useful.
Plus, if we got the big groups, with say more than 5,000 members to join. Others would surely follow by example.
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catlord5
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:46 AM |
Each group already has its own regulations, and they're all similiar.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:47 AM |
ya cuz dere all
if i no like i say ban/all |
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:47 AM |
I can agree with that. Though, if I created a war clan and this rules were recognized by some groups, I go with the "your base, your rules" statement.
However, if I were to raid a clan that is part of this rule, I would follow that rule if I stepped on the enemies territory (enemies' base). If I were to defend my clan from the enemies, they will have to follow my rules, stated by the agreement. |
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:47 AM |
Yes, I am quite aware. There what I've generalised in the title, likewise many of them follow what I stated in the original post.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:48 AM |
However, I do like the alternate routes to winning the battle.
If we were all great a scripting, even more ideas could flourish. :3
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:49 AM |
Then, I guess with RBA, I might as well pioneer all these ideas into the group. Then show you all as an outcome.
But I still believe in what I am saying. Some of the general ideas of war are ignorant. They do need a rethink.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:51 AM |
| You make some good points and all, but I think clan warfare is going to continue the way it is for some time to come. With all of the "newbies" these days they can only just follow these simple rules. Also, people don't like change. |
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:54 AM |
| Perhaps there should be a coalition of groups that all agree on equal rules of warfare, and only fight among each other? |
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:55 AM |
It was CC, not RSF, btw
kthx
also, shutting down the server while we have terminal?
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Valone
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:57 AM |
Oh, sorry. That wasn't me though. Yes you had a bit of a fair point. But it more sparked this.
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| 26 Feb 2012 09:59 AM |
"If the owner of the base has unfair weapons, who cares. It's there choice."
But in a raid, the enemy wouldn`t charge them with pistols... |
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