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Re: Are income taxes theft?

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magnostreak is not online. magnostreak
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19 Feb 2012 06:16 PM
I personally think not, but I'll elaborate later.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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19 Feb 2012 06:40 PM
The government leeching off of the fruit of your labor.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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19 Feb 2012 06:44 PM
A lot of what goes down in a capitalist economy is theft.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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19 Feb 2012 06:48 PM
That is true Grim, however, the communism that is practiced today is as worse if not more so than capitalism.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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19 Feb 2012 07:01 PM
If the income isn't more than 40%, then it's not theft
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betaw100 is not online. betaw100
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19 Feb 2012 07:02 PM
No your a good person if you pay your taxes Illigal immagrents are thefts they get to go to school in america free they dont pay taxes makeing them thefts from the government
BTW capitalism is not bad dont belive socialist that want to split your money with the poor who do nothing but play video games
(Unless they are actually unable to work.)
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19 Feb 2012 07:02 PM
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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19 Feb 2012 07:35 PM
Do you consider it theft if the thief takes what he stole and puts it to work for your benefit? That's essentially the question.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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19 Feb 2012 07:39 PM
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But can't be too much, then someone will be taxed on more than what the have earned.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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19 Feb 2012 07:46 PM
Valid point, Pepper. If the thief stole your car, sold it, and used the money to repave your driveway... you still need a car. :P
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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19 Feb 2012 07:56 PM
Theft? Of course not. But you don't need to think income taxes are theft to oppose them.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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19 Feb 2012 07:59 PM
Property is theft lololo
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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19 Feb 2012 08:03 PM
>Property is freedom!
>Property is theft!

I would love Proudhon if I could understand him half the time. His introduction to The Philosophy of Misery is so ornate and esoteric that I'm seriously surprised that people take him seriously.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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19 Feb 2012 08:13 PM
People take Epicurus seriously.
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Anyways- Not necessarily no, they aren't theft. I don't agree with them, however. I don't believe we should have our money that we earned taken before we can spend it.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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19 Feb 2012 08:15 PM
How are income taxes no theft?
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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19 Feb 2012 08:17 PM
They are taxes. You give them over pretty much willingly.

I'm aware you don't agree, the tax evaders go to jail and all.
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magnostreak is not online. magnostreak
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19 Feb 2012 08:18 PM
They actually are, now that I think of it. But if you can chose where the money goes to, I guess it isn't.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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19 Feb 2012 08:23 PM
"They are taxes. You give them over pretty much willingly."

Graeber puts it perfectly:

"In fact the threat of that man with the stick
permeates our world at every moment; most of us
have given up even thinking of crossing the innumerable
lines and barriers he creates, just so we
don’t have to remind ourselves of his existence. If
you see a hungry woman standing several yards
away from a huge pile of food—a daily occurrence
for most of us who live in cities—there is a reason
you can’t just take some and give it to her. A man
with a big stick will come and very likely hit you."
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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19 Feb 2012 08:27 PM
I already knew you would disagree using that argument, or something similar. I'll respond with this;

If you don't like it, get out.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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19 Feb 2012 08:27 PM
Property is indeed theft.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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19 Feb 2012 08:28 PM
Unfortunately, it seems that our culture is built around private property. And the system works well enough.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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19 Feb 2012 08:32 PM
>They are taxes. You give them over pretty much willingly.

And if you don't, you're taken to jail. That's not really something done voluntarily.

>If you don't like it, get out.

This is the same argument I get in response to the "Work or starve" proposition I like to spout. Paying taxes or leaving society is not voluntary for most people.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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19 Feb 2012 08:34 PM
Yes it is. If they don't have the money to leave they can save up for it.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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19 Feb 2012 08:37 PM
So they have to leave their families, friends, jobs, etc., just because they don't want the government to take a part of their money?

How is this any different from a small business owner leaving an area controlled by the mob?
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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19 Feb 2012 08:45 PM
Their family can come along if they want to leave. If they don't that's their choice.
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