Ryplayer
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| 14 Feb 2012 06:52 AM |
Now it's the failure of capitalism.
Are there any better systems we could have? |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 06:54 AM |
| Anarchy, it's worked before. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 07:21 AM |
1-We haven't seen the failure of Communism. 2-What we are living in right now is Crony Capitalism. 3-Anarchism is a left-wing idea
"With the abolition of private property, then, we shall have true, beautiful, healthy Individualism. Nobody will waste his life in accumulating things, and the symbols for things. One will live. To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." - Oscar Wilde |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 07:39 AM |
1-Real communism could never flourish do to the fact that people want power. 2-Agreed 3-Anarchy is a libertarian left wing idea. |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 07:41 AM |
| 3continued- Anarchy does have a left and right side. |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 07:46 AM |
ht tp://w iki.ans wers.co m/Q/What_is_a_left-wing_anarchist_And_what_is_a_right-wing_anarachist |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:04 AM |
"1-Real communism could never flourish do to the fact that people want power." This b. s. again? Why are you people so stubborn?
"3continued- Anarchy does have a left and right side."
No, it does not.
http://anarchism.pagea bode.com/afaq/secF1.html
T.L;D.R version: Those who claim right-wing ideas are Anarchist are using a dictionary definition of Anarchism and they ignore history of Anarchism.
Somewhere in that website it also makes the point that something similar happens with the word "Libertarian".
"With the abolition of private property, then, we shall have true, beautiful, healthy Individualism. Nobody will waste his life in accumulating things, and the symbols for things. One will live. To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." - Oscar Wilde |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:10 AM |
| I am neither left nor right, since I believe in total anarchy. What does that make me? |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:16 AM |
Define total anarchy.
"With the abolition of private property, then, we shall have true, beautiful, healthy Individualism. Nobody will waste his life in accumulating things, and the symbols for things. One will live. To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." - Oscar Wilde |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:18 AM |
| Barter system, no laws, every man for himself, and most importantly no government. |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:20 AM |
Let me explain it in cows.
You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbours try to take the cows and kill you. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:21 AM |
1) Other than for the lack of government, that has nothing to do with anarchy. 2) I think you'll need to create your own term, although it must not have the include the word anarchy.
"With the abolition of private property, then, we shall have true, beautiful, healthy Individualism. Nobody will waste his life in accumulating things, and the symbols for things. One will live. To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." - Oscar Wilde |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:22 AM |
1) Actually the definition of anarchy is no government, no government=no economy=barter system/hunting and raiding.
an·ar·chy/ˈanərkē/ Noun:
A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
Absolute freedom=no laws. |
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:24 AM |
| 2) That is Pure anarchy, not total. Whoopsie. Pure anarchy is basically the essence of anarchy. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:25 AM |
1)Did you seriously just use a dictionary definition? AYFKM? 2)Why does the lack of a government mean the lack of an economy?
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:30 AM |
1)Nope, that's the "definition" of anarchy, however most of my ideals are added to the definition. 2)Unless the people form an economy, which I doubt would happen since the economy in NY might be worth nothing in lets say SC, there would be no economy. When you have an economy, someone has more power than everyone else. It's like if you had 100$ and i had 5$. Therefore you have more power than I do so in theory it is no longer anarchy. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:34 AM |
1)I just linked you to an book that showed that by using such a definition you are ignoring Anarchist history. 2)Economy studies good and services. Uour ideology isn't going to get rid of them and as long as they exist there will be an economy.
"With the abolition of private property, then, we shall have true, beautiful, healthy Individualism. Nobody will waste his life in accumulating things, and the symbols for things. One will live. To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." - Oscar Wilde |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:38 AM |
1)Okay I will read it, i will soon link you to an article about what you are overseeing in my form of anarchy. 2)Yes the barter system will always exist. Everything will be given a "price tag". My question for you is, who is going to make this "currency"? |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:42 AM |
| History what you seem to be missing is that pure anarchy builds an economy. Your ideology wouldn't not work the first months of anarchy because people are not content on sitting down and being equals. Until someone takes over and basically MAKES them produce some form of a currency it would not work. It has worked before on small scales, but most countries aren't small. Libya is an example of pure anarchy, Somalia was pure anarchy, and Afghanistan was once pure anarchy. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 08:58 AM |
"2)Yes the barter system will always exist. Everything will be given a "price tag". My question for you is, who is going to make this "currency"?"
What currency? The point of Communism is that things are communally owned.
"Your ideology wouldn't not work the first months of anarchy because people are not content on sitting down and being equals."
There's nothing equal in Communism other than the ownedship of goods and the means of production. You would still be able to go where you want, write what you want to write, etc.
"Until someone takes over and basically MAKES them produce some form of a currency it would not work."
1) Again, what currency? 2) Look at the book "Debt: The First 5.000 y3 4rs", it mentions "currencies" which really only based on trust.
" It has worked before on small scales, but most countries aren't small."
*Cough* Free Territory *cough*
"Libya is an example of pure anarchy, Somalia was pure anarchy, and Afghanistan was once pure anarchy."
1) You still don't understand what Anarchy really is. 2) The "Anarchy" there was not intentional.
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DrCaneJr
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| 14 Feb 2012 09:05 AM |
>What currency? The point of Communism is that things are communally owned. ------------- True communism or real world communism?
>"Your ideology wouldn't not work the first months of anarchy because people are not content on sitting down and being equals." --------------- Wrong if there are rules, you are limited on what you can do.
>*Cough* Free Territory *cough* ----------- What would compel one not to take this free territory?
>1) You still don't understand what Anarchy really is. 2) The "Anarchy" there was not intentional. ----------- 1) You used to be a liberal correct? You still sound like one. If you knew what anarchy was in its essence you would know why this makes 0 sense. 2) No it was rather intentional since they just overthrew Gaddafi. Thats like saying the founding fathers did not intentionally start with very small federal government. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 09:07 AM |
>1) Again, what currency? ---------- Whats the point of an economy if you can't buy things with it? Thats like saying the point of capitalism is to make everyone equal. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 09:14 AM |
"True communism or real world communism?"
More crap.
"Wrong if there are rules, you are limited on what you can do."
Just like in your "Pure Anarchist" society you would shoot me if you saw me taking your property.
"What would compel one not to take this free territory?"
What? If I understood right, then the answer would be that there's a militia made of Anarchists.
"1) You used to be a liberal correct? You still sound like one. If you knew what anarchy was in its essence you would know why this makes 0 sense. "
1)What does this have to do with being a Liberal? 2)Look. At. The. Website.
"2) No it was rather intentional since they just overthrew Gaddafi. Thats like saying the founding fathers did not intentionally start with very small federal government."
The ones that overthrew Ghaddafi were the ones that supported the NTC. Using your analogy, you could say that the US was Anarchist since they overthrew king George III.
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| 14 Feb 2012 09:18 AM |
>More crap. ---- No actually they are two differnet things. You have the USSR and you have Marx's society.
>Just like in your "Pure Anarchist" society you would shoot me if you saw me taking your property. ---- Yes that is what I personally would do, that is not up to the majority to protect my property.
>What? If I understood right, then the answer would be that there's a militia made of Anarchists. ---- Once again, why would people form a militia if they could take a massive chunk of land and be left alone?
>1)What does this have to do with being a Liberal? 2)Look. At. The. Website. --- Your form of "left-wing anarchy" sounds much like a semi-free left wing society.
>The ones that overthrew Ghaddafi were the ones that supported the NTC. Using your analogy, you could say that the US was Anarchist since they overthrew king George III. --- If the NTC had any say in what goes on in Libya, raiding wouldn't be a favorite to most people. |
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| 14 Feb 2012 09:19 AM |
| Can you resend the link, it didn't open for me. |
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