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Re: Okay, this is the red line. All you critics MUST listen.

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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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10 Feb 2012 11:58 PM
As far I have seen there is no critic that looks forward to see good things, and instead lets down the creator before he even made A thing.

All of you call "I don't have faith" or "This is not a good idea" is opinion, you better shut your mouth about it, because it is not, and if you also add "This is hard" you just make things worse, you scare the poor guy.
Thing is, none of them "critics" here are supportive and even good critics at that. They just post a bunch of things that THEY THINK is right, but guys it is not.
They don't know you, and they never saw a video from you OR EVEN SAW THE VIDEO ITSELF.
How you guys expect to comment on something that is just an idea and you have no imagination?

A good critic tries to point out the flaws, not predict them.


If you want good criticism...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is your criticsm.
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Zilex1000 is not online. Zilex1000
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11 Feb 2012 12:04 AM
Well, I don't really criticize anymore but I can tell you that I don't say that stuff.
I say if the idea won't work out, or if they have too many actors/unneeded parts (Producers, co director)
That's basically it.
If I review an already done video, then I point out the good and what needs to be improved.
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kasert is not online. kasert
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11 Feb 2012 12:10 AM
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TrueHonesty is not online. TrueHonesty
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11 Feb 2012 12:27 AM
This guy just made the best comment evah
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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11 Feb 2012 12:57 AM
@Zilex & kasert

Both of you gotta realize that saying opinions is good, but when it comes to phrasing it is something else.
Zilex it's good that you a little better of a critic, but kasert you don't have ANY reason to say "I do not have faith in the video", of course you don't know the guy, but then again you do not give support, which just destroys the entire idea of the maker.
Criticism isn't about OPINIONS, but facts based on your knowledge in movie making.
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523rd is not online. 523rd
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11 Feb 2012 07:22 AM
agree @ above if your going to criticise do so constructively giving them new ideas.
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Hacker225 is not online. Hacker225
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11 Feb 2012 09:14 AM
I agree with Sonic17th, I remeber when I started out, I really didn´t get criticized. Maybe because by the time I started, there was much good movie makers. But I actually started making good movies because I wanted to win the Roblox Videos Contest that Roblox used to had. So, really, a good critic, critizises what is already made and looks for the positive in it. A bad critic critisizes by what that person has seen by other people and before the project has been made.
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noisybow12 is not online. noisybow12
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11 Feb 2012 09:47 AM
Yeah, I've read the posts, and some aren't really helping us at all, but you should understand that this 'Criticizing' is a daily thing that a lot of people do all the time. It may take more than a simple post to get some people thinking about what their behaviors are doing to others. I completely agree with you, but there's still a lot of people who just simply don't give up on giving these downhill comments and such even without looking at their work. It's just a way of life.. :/
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noisybow12 is not online. noisybow12
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11 Feb 2012 09:50 AM
Although some people do have their right to give their opinion, maybe if the content of the posts on here are insulting to them. Or it's breaking ROBLOX's rules. So 'Criticizing' could be mistaken. You might not even know these people who criticize, and they might have a really good reason to criticize.
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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11 Feb 2012 12:02 PM
"It's just a way of life.. :/"

THAT'S THE MOST HORRIBLE LINE FOR A MOVIE MAKER! no offense, it's just is. :P
One post actually made an entire protest against one little company successful:

Target acquired: Social union and lower price of products.
Collateral damage: CEO/Boss quit.



Also the thing is, opinions are always good, but the thing is, as I said before, if the person does not know how to phrase them right, so much for opinions, more like a wall of insults. But even if they have a good reason to criticize these people I've seen attempting to do it didn't do it right.



Also, yeah critics look for good things and bad things, but when it comes to bad things they point them out in detail, not like this:
*RAIG FACE*Y U NO MAKE EPISODE BETTER!? (Creator: define "better".)

And when bad things are done, and the critic knows about the subject he should know why, and SHOULD point that out. Those are the best comments you can get, but if people do not know how to appreciate them and/or make good ones well what's the point of robloxiwood?
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11 Feb 2012 12:04 PM
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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11 Feb 2012 12:13 PM
I've been here for the last...year and half maybe?
Been in business for like 4 years? I have no reason to leave this forum, nor shall I.
I know why Ro-Formers faild, and I know how critics never got ganged up on them.
In real life those people do it as a job, and as a matter of fact GOOD.
But the reviewers I've see here, like I said in your post, do not realize that they don't criticize at all, they send spam all over the place with no detail and/or actual crticism.

COMPARE THESE GUYS TO IGN, I challenge you.
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noisybow12 is not online. noisybow12
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11 Feb 2012 12:36 PM
I'm not a movie maker, therefor I don't care what you think of my 'Line'. I'm starting to think that you're no different from the people you're scolding. Really- alike. That's all I have to say.
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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11 Feb 2012 03:24 PM
Then you might have not been lucky enough to find those who try to predict rather than reviewing :/
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noisybow12 is not online. noisybow12
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11 Feb 2012 03:51 PM
No, the reason I'm comparing you to them is because I saw those people who where 'Predicting', and you scolding them. I can find you, and them.. quite alike, and I think you haven't got the slightest right to judge them considering what you're like. Maybe you should evaluate what type of 'Criticizing' you don't favor instead of taking it out and blaming people for this type of criticizing. Because that's all I see you doing among these forums. You should leave this be, because it's making you seem very foolish.
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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11 Feb 2012 11:13 PM
What kind of criticism is this? I think I have stated my point like numerous times.
I am nothing like these guys that TRY to be critics, and predict failures. Critics are not there to predict, they are there to inspect.
I don't think that if I am against that I am like them, I LOVE criticism but this type of comments are not criticism, they are jsut a bunch of junk mail just stopping people from being creative and do whatever it is they want.
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noisybow12 is not online. noisybow12
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12 Feb 2012 09:44 AM
Oh, really? Because it really doesn't seem like you support creativity and free will that much. How could you criticize a person if they were a youtube star days after you've pointed out all their flaws? That's what is the same. These people point out there flaws. Future or present. You are the same as the people you scold. You, I must say, are none different from the rest of the idiots ruining children's ideas and creativity. Because it's never too late to break someones heart. I'Inspecting' and pulling out all you know about movie making to dump it on another person, is just alike to predicting all those things you pull out of movie making. For god's sake half of the people you are scolding are 10-12 year olds. Do you think they even know what criticizing is? I'm sorry but they don't GIVE a crap. They probably won't either for the next 20 years of their life, buddy. All I'm saying, is that you are practically scolding yourself. Because it's never too late to stop creativity. So you've got no right to scold anyone. God, you sicken me.
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Bobbysayhi is not online. Bobbysayhi
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12 Feb 2012 10:25 AM
I don't post on ROBLOXiwood a lot.

I'm sick of repeating myself.

"Too many actors"

"Your not thinking before your saying"

etc...
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Shaydesilva is not online. Shaydesilva
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12 Feb 2012 10:52 AM
Sonic mate how you doing?
Its been a while!
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LatinxAssassin is not online. LatinxAssassin
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12 Feb 2012 10:55 AM
Can't we all forget about this, and make this thread fade away.
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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12 Feb 2012 11:23 AM
Oh, really? Because it really doesn't seem like you support creativity and free will that much.
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Exact opposite, I never criticized a guy over his ideas being a fail or try to predict, I point out stuff that needs to be fixed in order to make it easier or make the message come through.
Video is like any other Art, there are specific rules that you need to follow to adress messages, but when it comes to ideas you are not limited.


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How could you criticize a person if they were a youtube star days after you've pointed out all their flaws?
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That they are stars doesn't mean they are perfect. Critcism is there to point out flaws so the director/maker will make sure he won't do the mistakes he did last time. Still criticism will always be there, but I am not here to stop it, I am here to stop really "BAD" comments.(AKA those that do not help at all and are bad in they're content)


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These people point out there flaws.
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All I have seen lately:
"too man actors", "this idea will fail", "You are horrible, don't make anymore".
The first one is the only one that is actually a criticism.


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You are the same as the people you scold.
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I think we have established that. If you don't understand it after this post, don't bother with making me think I am those guys.


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You, I must say, are none different from the rest of the idiots ruining children's ideas and creativity.
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Repeating self, fun... So you call a bunch of triangles put together randomly creativity? I guess, but movies are not something to be messing around with in serious projects.


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'Inspecting' and pulling out all you know about movie making to dump it on another person, is just alike to predicting all those things you pull out of movie making.
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Funny how wrong you are, because saying simply "will fail" and "won't be made" is nothing alike inspecting and give the knowledge of yours. If internet is there to share knowledge, well why are you forbidding such? besides the way you phrase the true process of criticism just sickens me how it is no different from a propogenda. Then again you might use that against me right now because I act the way I think I should:Convincing people the best of my efforts.


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For god's sake half of the people you are scolding are 10-12 year olds.
Do you think they even know what criticizing is?
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Like how you said with creativity, it is never too late to educate a kid, so long he is a kid. ;P


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They probably won't either for the next 20 years of their life, buddy.
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I am optimistic that the reason would be is that they have better things to do by then.


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All I'm saying, is that you are practically scolding yourself. Because it's never too late to stop creativity. So you've got no right to scold anyone. God, you sicken me.
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So God sickens you...okay.
Now how do I scold myself if I do things different than other people, I take the road least taken(-reference to "the road not taken") and follow that.



P.S.
I am learning in communications lessons and know the subject as deeply into the technical stuff, so I give out of myself for the people who are more enthusiastic to make videos.
And if you still don't understand me, don't bother trying to seek answers and prove me wrong. I am having fun with this debate, but repeating yourself is not giving this debate a purpose unfortunatly.
You tried to convince but I will stay with my thoughts, just like you and I have free speech, you and I have the right to think what we are thinking, and I am not here to change your mind forcefully.
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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12 Feb 2012 11:24 AM
@LatinxAssassin

I do not want this to fade away, I created this I'll make sure it stays here until I see a change for good.
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LatinxAssassin is not online. LatinxAssassin
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12 Feb 2012 11:25 AM
(>_>)
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Zilex1000 is not online. Zilex1000
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12 Feb 2012 03:28 PM
Noisy...
How is constructive criticism bad in the slightest?
When I say "I think you may have too many actors. You should cut them down o that you have more of a chance at making this, and maybe reuse actors", is that stunting creativity? Is that personally attacking and making them feel low?
I don't think so.
There is a fine line between constructive criticism and downright being judgement or insulting someone.
 
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sonic17TH is not online. sonic17TH
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13 Feb 2012 08:47 AM
And to add on Zilex's words:

If you call those insulting and judgements words "opinions", you sir need to learn more about theoretical speech and psychology before considering such.
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