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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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10 Feb 2012 11:36 PM
How would communism work? What is your idea of the perfect communism?
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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11 Feb 2012 07:24 AM
They have no legit argument, they just want to be different
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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11 Feb 2012 08:07 AM
Exactly


filthy hippies
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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11 Feb 2012 08:16 AM
You're the one that has no argument.

First, there is not just one idea of how would Communism would be done, there could be huge communes which are entirely self-sufficient, or there could be federations of them, there could be industrialized communes or agricultural communes, Et Cetera.

Second, read this:
http://anarchism.pageabode
.com/anarcho/the-economics-of-anarchy

Skip to Communism.

“The Study of the Needs of Humanity, and of the Economic Means to satisfy them.” - Kropotkin on Economic Science
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 11:54 AM
Communism is humanism to an extreme.
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ShadowStriker64 is not online. ShadowStriker64
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11 Feb 2012 02:41 PM
I agree with thepit. I am completely against communism and dictatorship.
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Ambleboy is not online. Ambleboy
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11 Feb 2012 02:51 PM
Uhh... What?

Communism DOES NOT EQUAL Dictatorship. No idea where you got that from.
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TheAztec is not online. TheAztec
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11 Feb 2012 03:54 PM
Communism can work...

In a smaller scale, that is.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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11 Feb 2012 04:02 PM
'Communism DOES NOT EQUAL DICTATORSHIP'

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uh huh, right...

Explain China, Cuba, Laos, Vietname and North Korea and all the former communist states.


Saying the communism was never experimented in those countries clearly proves that you cant admit that COMMUNISM CAN NEVER WORK IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM IN ANY PLACE, ANY TIME, AND WHO IS LEADING IT.

Communism would only work if you WANT oppression, corrupt government or propaganda constantly telling you lies.
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History0111 is not online. History0111
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11 Feb 2012 04:07 PM
You are so stubborn... I thought that after the 100th time everyone here would have understood that is not Communism.

@Aztec

The way I think it could work on a bigger scale is with intercommunal festivals a la potlatch in a society where the majority are Communists (in the ones that have been so far self-interest played a part, but if everyone is a Communist things might change).

“The Study of the Needs of Humanity, and of the Economic Means to satisfy them.” - Kropotkin on Economic Science
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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11 Feb 2012 08:00 PM
I'm just going to put out there that though their form of communism has worked in the past, most of the societies have been defeated by a "capitalist" type society later on. I.E The Native Americans Vs the Europeans.
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 08:56 PM


Communism would only work if you WANT oppression, corrupt government or propaganda constantly telling you lies.
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But that's totalitarianism. Not communism.

Communism=No state
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 09:48 PM
Communism has never worked before zct. Some can claim anarchy hasn't however it has.
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 09:57 PM
Communism has never worked before zct. Some can claim anarchy hasn't however it has.
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Show me a stateless commune society as Marx intended.

Im no communist, and I doubt it would work, but claiming that China or Cuba or the Soviet Union are/were communist is like claiming 10th century Russia was some capitalist paridise.

It wasn't, they aren't, and it's laughable to claim so.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 10:01 PM
Like i said it never will work, marx's society wouldn't work off of the fact that there will always be one person trying to get power. Or large groups of people forming some form of structured leadership. Also if you thought that I mean the USSR or China, that would be wrong. The USSR and China had/have a government, true communism has no government.
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 10:03 PM

Like i said it never will work, marx's society wouldn't work off of the fact that there will always be one person trying to get power. Or large groups of people forming some form of structured leadership. Also if you thought that I mean the USSR or China, that would be wrong. The USSR and China had/have a government, true communism has no government.
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Then it's just an ideal, just like any other. Whats the problem with people holding their idea of what an ideal society is/should be? Does it offend you or something?
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 10:04 PM
No it doesn't offend me, it just offends me when someone bashes how I believe then don't expect me to do the same.
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 10:07 PM

No it doesn't offend me, it just offends me when someone bashes how I believe then don't expect me to do the same.
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All I said was that communism =/= totalitarianism.

I didn't even use the word Anarchy once until now in this thread.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 10:07 PM
Lets stay on topic, I would like to know what you think the perfect communist society is zct.
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zct36 is not online. zct36
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11 Feb 2012 10:10 PM
Does't really matter what I think it is. I can onyl go so far as to refer you to the ideals of Marx.

"A society which is classless and stateless, based upon common ownership of the means of production with free access to articles of consumption, the end of economic exploitation."
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 10:12 PM
I can agree with that, however it seems a little far fetched that it would happen.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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11 Feb 2012 11:29 PM
@DrCaneJr-

Communism HAS worked before, but it was crushed in the end by capitalistic ideas. (Refer to my last post)
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 11:30 PM
It didn't work if it was crushed, democracy is working in the USA NOW. But lets say communism crushes it, then democracy doesn't work.
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Jinxy is not online. Jinxy
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11 Feb 2012 11:31 PM
It was working, for the time. If the Europeans didn't arrive you and I would not exist, and there would still be a communal society in america.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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11 Feb 2012 11:38 PM
Not entirely true since none of my ancestors are native to America, I would just live in Europe.
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