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DrCaneJr
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| 06 Feb 2012 09:08 PM |
| Depends on what kind of anarchist. An anarcho/commie a flat out anarchist. I personally believe no one will. No taxes, civilization will manage law, city state laws, no welfare since everyone would have to do something to survive. Like i will build you a shack for 2 lbs of beef. |
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pepper0
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| 06 Feb 2012 09:54 PM |
| Only the rule of law (republic) can protect everyone's rights. |
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mage11561
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| 06 Feb 2012 09:55 PM |
Anarchists work under the assumption that people won't want to kill and steal from them,
or that people won't just get bored and say "hey let's go burn that guys house down" |
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DrCaneJr
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| 06 Feb 2012 10:02 PM |
| Government works under the assumption that no politician will want more power. Or that no politician is a power monger. |
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pepper0
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| 06 Feb 2012 10:21 PM |
| That is why you have the rule of LAW |
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DrCaneJr
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| 06 Feb 2012 10:41 PM |
| The NDAA is a law and it crushes freedoms of the constitution. |
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Jinxy
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| 06 Feb 2012 11:38 PM |
Anarchists do not like an over-ruling force of which causes oppression.
Anarchists, such as myself, often view the ideal society as having no one controlling force, but the people themselves being the ruling force. A society where people rule themselves and decide what goes and what doesn't.
A government is not required, but has become conditioned to being a necessity for society, and most often, people in search of power and wealth.
A societal system in which the people rule themselves all in of itself is the best system there is, no matter what a person feels compelled to believe it: for it allows all of the citizens to agree on one thing.
Surely they may create a parliment and look forward to hiring representatives for those of which do not wish to take full part in the politics of their society and so on, but that gets too far into sociological details of it.
All you need to know is that a government is not a requirement of a necessity. All a society needs is it's people, and what the people find is rightfully needed for the society (such as a parliment, a money handler, and so forth to handle events within the staging) |
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| 07 Feb 2012 12:04 AM |
Whoever said it would come to that?
And besides, thats how ancient and medieval civilizations traded: bartering and exchange. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 12:28 AM |
To this day, no; but thats because we've been conditioned to "correct" society, which, in all honesty, there is no right or wrong way.
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zct36
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| 07 Feb 2012 04:19 AM |
Depends on what kind of anarchist. An anarcho/commie a flat out anarchist. I personally believe no one will. No taxes, civilization will manage law, city state laws, no welfare since everyone would have to do something to survive. Like i will build you a shack for 2 lbs of beef. ____________________
Why would anyone willingly submit to this. It would be like turning the clock back 300+ years. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 05:42 AM |
Anarchists do not like an over-ruling force of which causes oppression.
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Because lawl for murdering are magically oppression.
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Anarchists, such as myself, often view the ideal society as having no one controlling force, but the people themselves being the ruling force. A society where people rule themselves and decide what goes and what doesn't.
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What exactly makes you think, that people will be peacefull and decide for themselves? What makes you think that a neighbor would not blow up your shack?
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A government is not required, but has become conditioned to being a necessity for society, and most often, people in search of power and wealth.
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I'm sorry, but goverment is needed to have the society we know today, and today's society is the good one. It doesn't kill you that there are mysterious "1%" that controlls the economy. You can still happily live. In anarchy you will be in a struggle to survive.
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A societal system in which the people rule themselves all in of itself is the best system there is, no matter what a person feels compelled to believe it: for it allows all of the citizens to agree on one thing.
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...to rab shacks of a guy.
Seriously, it isn't the best system, we're not living in a perfect world. There are many people that can be flawed. And if there is some disagreeance, it will start with a war. Oh and I'm not mentioning that people can just apply laws to kill innocent people.
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Surely they may create a parliment and look forward to hiring representatives for those of which do not wish to take full part in the politics of their society and so on, but that gets too far into sociological details of it.
All you need to know is that a government is not a requirement of a necessity. All a society needs is it's people, and what the people find is rightfully needed for the society (such as a parliment, a money handler, and so forth to handle events within the staging)
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It's not a life need, but it is a need for YOU to not struggle for pure survival. The goverment keeps law and order, and that is what it takes for you to live. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 05:49 AM |
| Fortunately, Primitivists are a small group, even within Anarchism |
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| 07 Feb 2012 07:21 AM |
That was directed at zct.
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"Because lawl for murdering are magically oppression."
wat
"What exactly makes you think, that people will be peacefull and decide for themselves? What makes you think that a neighbor would not blow up your shack?"
What makes you think there would not be a militia to keep peace?
"In anarchy you will be in a struggle to survive."
Hahaha. No...
"And if there is some disagreeance, it will start with a war. Oh and I'm not mentioning that people can just apply laws to kill innocent people."
1) Once again, wat
2) I would not get rid of laws. In my version of Anarchism, what would disappear is a monopoly on force, if someone wants to be ruled by someone else (although I personally would prefer a Direct Democracy which seeks [although might not always have to reach] a consensus) they would be able to, but this must be voluntary, and you should not have to move elsewhere for freedom. Back to laws. wat.
"It's not a life need, but it is a need for YOU to not struggle for pure survival. The goverment keeps law and order, and that is what it takes for you to live."
Militias can maintain order, and anarchy would not bring us back to the Paleolithic, as either businesses (if you are right-wing) or communes (if you are left-wing) organize the economy. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 07:22 AM |
| Maybe that was not the best term, but you get the point. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 08:19 AM |
What makes you think there would not be a militia to keep peace?
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Who will organise the militia?
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2) I would not get rid of laws. In my version of Anarchism, what would disappear is a monopoly on force, if someone wants to be ruled by someone else (although I personally would prefer a Direct Democracy which seeks [although might not always have to reach] a consensus) they would be able to, but this must be voluntary, and you should not have to move elsewhere for freedom. Back to laws. wat.
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"It's not a life need, but it is a need for YOU to not struggle for pure survival. The goverment keeps law and order, and that is what it takes for you to live." left-wing) organize the economy.
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Who will rganise the militias? What if corporations decided that it could be better to eliminate people from rivalry companies? What about greedy people in the communes that will steal the economy? If companies have to rule, there will be a goverment, and thus that is no anarchy. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 09:38 AM |
"Who will organise the militia?"
The people.
"wat"
There is no reason why there would be absolutely no laws.
"Who will rganise the militias?"
Again, the people.
"What if corporations decided that it could be better to eliminate people from rivalry companies?"
Private security forces would avoid it. If you think that would not solve it, them tell me why would it be any different today.
"What about greedy people in the communes that will steal the economy?"
Except that does not happen in the Communist places that have existed.
"If companies have to rule, there will be a goverment, and thus that is no anarchy."
If. |
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| 07 Feb 2012 03:36 PM |
>Why would anyone willingly submit to this. It would be like turning the clock back 300+ years. ------------- Why would you willingly submit to complete control of your life and decide how educated you are? Once again what people do not understand is that Anarchy means no GOVERNMENT not the end of CIVILIZATION. Two different things. |
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Branch14
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| 07 Feb 2012 04:48 PM |
| Only in WWC would you find anarchists. |
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DrCaneJr
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| 07 Feb 2012 04:51 PM |
| I can actually name a few places where you can find them. I'm a rather active one irl. |
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zct36
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| 07 Feb 2012 05:36 PM |
Why would you willingly submit to complete control of your life and decide how educated you are? Once again what people do not understand is that Anarchy means no GOVERNMENT not the end of CIVILIZATION. Two different things. __________________________
We don't live in some 1984 bizzaro world you retard. Simplifying everything into some black and white strawman basically proves you ahve no argument. The government doesn't decide how educated you are. They maintain standards for it. YOU choose to go to med school, the government merely keeps the failure students from trying to treat people when they clearly can't. I decide my orientation. I decide my personal relationships. I decide what I do, what I think, and what I feel. I don't appreciate people like you telling me what to do, think, and feel. I understand what anarchy is, I understand the various schools of it; but just like communism Im willing to argue in favor or against ideas in a way which contradicts what I personally believe because ignorance is a plague on this earth.
Nice shill gambit. |
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