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Re: How to stop ALL profanity, OD'ing AND chain-letters...

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DXPower is not online. DXPower
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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02 Jan 2012 08:21 PM
We make a constantly updated Database. We'll call it, the POCC, which stands for Profanity OD Chain-Letter Catcher...... Here's how it will work:
Now, when ROBLOX first makes the Database, they put in all the things they know are bad, like, basically, the current ones.
Then, they send a forum to each user that has logged in to their account for the past 7 days. It will say:


Please put in ways to get around the bad-word filter:

--They put them here--


_________________

Please put in chain-letters:

EX: Copy and Paste this .... times on a .... and get ....!
The .... stand for missing characters, meaning, it can be ANYTHING.

--They put them here--

_________________

Please put in OD words:

--Put them here--

_________________


Now, when they click "Enter", it will go into the "Sifter". It will sift things that are alike. When entries are at least 10 characters alike 3 times, it will be added to the Database; if they aren't already there. If they have ...., it will do the same thing above.

Finally, when someone says something ANYWHERE on ROBLOX that is in the Database, it will catch them. Now, since the Database is filled with kid entries, it will have the latest way of getting around the filter. Now, it will update the Database every month, making it constantly up in the race against rule-breakers. Now, about the ones with the ....'s, if someone says anything within those perimeters, it will catch them, causing less "Chain-Letters", or as we all know it as, spam. It will also remove any previously made comments/forums that happen to cause an alarm in the POCC.

If you find any Loop-Holes in this, please tell me.





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flashgod is not online. flashgod
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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02 Jan 2012 08:36 PM
This, is, genius!
It's a shame ROBLOX only argees after 2,000 replies or something ._.
btw, sift heads reference?
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DXPower is not online. DXPower
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02 Jan 2012 08:37 PM
What do you mean "Sift Heads reference?"

I don't play Sift Heads.

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Rose1240 is not online. Rose1240
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02 Jan 2012 08:39 PM
Amazing. Support. I'll bump this for you.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 08:42 PM
...Amazing.



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gking19 is not online. gking19
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02 Jan 2012 08:52 PM
I really don't know whether to support this or not. I mean really... it's... just plain weird.

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DXPower is not online. DXPower
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02 Jan 2012 09:33 PM
Bump.

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Varp is not online. Varp
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02 Jan 2012 09:43 PM
I disagree on the basis that this idea is abusable, that it emphasizes harsh moderation, and that it makes the rules unclear. This idea brings a quote to mind (but I forget its exact wording or who said it... so it's really just an idea):
The difficulty of security is not keeping all the bad things out - it's letting the good things through.

This idea is highly abusable. While looking for 3 users reporting the same thing is a good step, what if you have 3 alts or two friends? You now have full control over the filter. You can add any word you'd like into the filter. What if you use that power? ODers use the word "and", right? Better get rid of it. I don't see any easy solution to this problem: you cannot make a whitelist of words, so you can't effectively stop people from doing this. I suppose you could moderate what everyone puts, but that would take a monumental amount of manpower.

Even those without malicious intent can cause evil through this system. I'm positive that, unless the words "boy", "girl", "man", and "woman" are given special protection, they will be constantly reported by users as ODing words - Roblox users take the rules against ODing to ridiculous extremes. Those are just examples - I'm sure that there are many perfectly innocent words that will get removed as a result of this system. The moderators and administrators who are comptent should have full control of the rules because they won't take things too far.

Finally, with this idea, users no longer know the rules. Right now, we have to deal with the filter on the forum which blocks our post without telling us why. With this idea, we won't have the faintest CLUE what we did wrong, and the rules would be constantly changing. How could we avoid everything in the database when it changes so quickly? We shouldn't be getting in an arms race with rulebreakers, because it'll leave legitimate users behind.

(Also, as always, the idea behind these criticisms is so that you can revise your idea to fix the issues)
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 09:58 PM
@Varp

It wasn't a filter. They get checked by the administrators after they go through.
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Godofwar2957 is not online. Godofwar2957
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02 Jan 2012 09:59 PM
........ Ello mate.
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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02 Jan 2012 10:08 PM
Support. You know how most people get past? Like this. Read first letter of every word.


Finished University Cradles Kansas.

See? Easy to get around.

Or like this:


l) /-\ l\/l l\l

SO EASY TO BYPASS THIS FILTER!
Don't report, I'm just giving examples.
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Varp is not online. Varp
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02 Jan 2012 10:09 PM
"It wasn't a filter. They get checked by the administrators after they go through."

I still disagree since it still encourages over-moderation (when the moderatoration team isn't even capable of thinking of all the rules they'd like, that's a good sign they want too much). While that would still leave the moderators in control (at a high cost in man-hours), the spirit of this idea is to block more things and to make the rules stricter. With this idea, inaction by the moderation team actually leads to rules that are too harsh, rather than rules that aren't enforced. We have to take incredible care when we start to create more rules because we can easily undermine all communications on Roblox through paranoia, and this idea goes against that.
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deve167 is not online. deve167
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02 Jan 2012 10:19 PM
support

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Calbeta245 is not online. Calbeta245
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02 Jan 2012 10:27 PM
too confusing.

OMG WHY ARE THEY EVEN DOING THE BINS AT 4:30AM???
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scwats305 is not online. scwats305
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02 Jan 2012 10:36 PM
Fully support, tired of the OD'ing, Spam and Profanity.

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ChickenofTehNuggetz is not online. ChickenofTehNuggetz
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02 Jan 2012 10:52 PM
Full support! This is great! I will track this thread and bump it so that it will get 2,000 replies

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Varp is not online. Varp
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02 Jan 2012 11:07 PM
"Full support! This is great! I will track this thread and bump it so that it will get 2,000 replies"

You probably have a better chance of being heard if you use Roblox's uservoice thing:

http://roblox.uservoice.com/forums/4658-roblox
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ChickenofTehNuggetz is not online. ChickenofTehNuggetz
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02 Jan 2012 11:11 PM
@Var
I've been trying to search for that for the past 30 minutes.

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Felidis is not online. Felidis
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02 Jan 2012 11:31 PM
Support!
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Brady731 is not online. Brady731
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02 Jan 2012 11:38 PM
What happens when they say "to get around the bad wod filter" and they just say ways to not get around it
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 11:43 PM
@Brady

You senseless being.

Y U MAKE NO SENSE?



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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 11:46 PM
This already exists. There is a "learning filter" that automatically learns new inappropriate phrases over time and blocks them, and there is a black list that automatically blocks any phrases containing a list of certain words.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 11:49 PM
@SCS

A learning filter?

I'm curious as to how a filter detects inappropriate phrases. :3



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29la is not online. 29la
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02 Jan 2012 11:50 PM
This is a fantastic idea!! Support.
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 11:51 PM
@chaosespeon

I don't know how it works, but it adapts to new types of inappropriate phrases over time and helps prevent filter-bypassing.
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