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Re: New thoughts on the real reason of the declaration of war.

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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:33 PM
I don't honestly believe this is just a fight of leadership, it's obviously much more than that. Look at the inactivity of RAT after the VAK war - it's pretty bad. In my opinion, the whole "declaration of war" was just to get RAT back into an actvitiy boost. The whole fighting over leadership, (again, if that's even what this is about) is most likely just a cover up, so RAT has a semi legitimate excuse to attack.


Again, may or may not be true. Just simple thoughts about my crazy mind.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:34 PM
luna said that we prob wouldn't know unless we were an admiral. i doubt the answer is as simple as inactivity.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:34 PM
Again, that whole "leadership thing" is just speculations from what I've observed. Whether or not that's meant to even be something may be, more or less a rumor.
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ExplosiveGrenade is not online. ExplosiveGrenade
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17 Jan 2012 10:34 PM
It is the UCR/RAT war all over again.

Silly.

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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:37 PM
It could be, it could be.

The simplest answer, could often be the most complex.

Think of it this way, normally clans have to give a legitimate answer to attack a clan. In RAT's case, they can just use a simple alibi to cover up something as simple as an activity burst.

The thing I ask myself, though, is how will the members feel about it all?


I mean if I was a soldier in a well established army, wouldn't I be asking WHY I was fighting? Without a drive or a reason to win, the common soldier may be demorilized, which is the one thing I don't get. Why would CT do this? He's not stupid, that's for sure.

But unless something is soon said, I don't doubt intellligent soldiers will start questioning CT's legitimacy.
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TDFall is not online. TDFall
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17 Jan 2012 10:38 PM
Crak is my alt. (jk)

aka

Support.
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InfamousHate is not online. InfamousHate
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17 Jan 2012 10:39 PM
i was liek ogm a girl wit grammar on c7g but then im liek o wait its crak :l
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ExplosiveGrenade is not online. ExplosiveGrenade
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17 Jan 2012 10:39 PM
I fight cause it is fun.
Lol.

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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:39 PM
If it were simply inactivity, somebody would have told us. He wouldn't have made his Admirals be quiet about it. Because, in all honesty, what could be so bad about people knowing your group is inactive? There's more than likely a larger reason to it.

and if a simplest answer is the most complex answer, it's the only answer <_<
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:42 PM
You don't know that, bluestar.

It's not just about soldiers, it's about other clan views too.

Let's say you were a clan leader and you see CT declare:

"Oh let's just fight with UAF, because we're inactive"

What would you think? You would think RAT is weak. CT would not want RAT to look weak.

In my opinion, this is the only logical assumption.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:44 PM
i don't think that makes them look weak

wij is inactive like a mother fudger, but we're not weak. and inactivity doesn't mean that you're weak. it just means that there's not much to do lol
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idontkno is not online. idontkno
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17 Jan 2012 10:46 PM

"I mean if I was a soldier in a well established army, wouldn't I be asking WHY I was fighting? Without a drive or a reason to win, the common soldier may be demorilized, which is the one thing I don't get. Why would CT do this? He's not stupid, that's for sure.

But unless something is soon said, I don't doubt intellligent soldiers will start questioning CT's legitimacy."

So true. Well said!
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:46 PM
It's a sign of it, and a progression towards failure.

If RAT has no activity, they have boredom. With boredom, comes soldiers wondering why they are still there. Ultimately, they leave the group.


Thing that keeps people in WIJ is the tech. They are updating quite a bit, and they do have alot of raiders daily at their bases. RAT on the other hand, really doesn't have that many raiders per base (from my speculation).
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:49 PM
wij doesn't have good "tech", as many people believe. there's no such thing as advanced tech on roblox. it's all a matter of opinion. a LOT of people hate wij weapons. i personally love them, but that's not just why i'm in wij. and we never have more than 30 raiders at once <.<

wij has been inactive for a long time, but we're not necessarily failing.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:51 PM
Exactly, bluestar.
Your not exactly failing.



RAT however, is. RAT used to be the talk of the clan world, after VAK, it vanished. WIJ has always been WIJ. They have never been the true talk of the clan world, that's just how WIJ roles.

But from the past, RAT likes to stay on top. This is one of the only ways of securing such.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:56 PM
i'd like to have inactivity as a clan leader, and i admit that. but i don't think ct takes roblox so seriously that he always wants to stay on top. i think he overall just wants it to be a nice group, which it will always be unless he does something mindblowingly stupid.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 10:58 PM
You don't know that, CT has, in the past, always had big ambitions.

How would you get bigger than to have all the superclans fight amongst themselves? He speculated that UAF was a dominate clan among C&G. Reviving RAT during this time has the potential to rip the forums in half. He knows UAF has allies. He knows RAT has allies.


He's trying to start a ROWar. He's going out with a bang.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 10:59 PM
i think you're giving ct too much credit. i don't think that he had a master plan drawn out that would pit a bunch of groups against each other. i think he had a different reason for declaring war.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 11:01 PM
I don't doubt he doesn't have a master plan. And quite frankly it's not even that complex.

If I was quitting Roblox after a long legacy, I wouldn't want to just leave with a simple goodbye. I'd want some fun before I leave.

It's not rocket science, any person could see how this would work. It's not like he had to ponder for days to think of such - all he would have to do is look at C&G, and notice a major populace.

Once that is established, a simple declaration of war is all that's needed.

It's not complex, it's not hard, it's not a masterminded scheme,

But it's deadly.
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kjohnson10 is not online. kjohnson10
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17 Jan 2012 11:02 PM
"He's trying to start a ROWar. He's going out with a bang. "

Highly doubtful. Although I agree it's probably because of inactivity reasons, I don't think he's trying to start a ROWar. And no, this probably isn't going to be the last big thing he does before he leaves ROBLOX. Of course he would use a cover up, what clan leader would just straight forward tell the members that the clan was inactive? Oh no, that probably wouldn't be too good.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 11:04 PM
It's already been said by quite a few powerful people of CT's leaving, if you havn't heard. It's said that this is his last battle before leaving RAT. If such IS true, then everything I've said makes perfect sense.

I could easily be wrong on this, but again, based on everything that has currently been supplied to me, this my best, and only explaination.
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hacker1leo is not online. hacker1leo
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17 Jan 2012 11:04 PM
@kjohnson

an admiral denying an accusation of the clan he is an admiral in


i wunder
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 11:05 PM
i can see how this would work, but i simple do not believe that he is trying to start a rowar.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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17 Jan 2012 11:05 PM
I suppose it's all speculation.

We most likely will never get a true answer on, but this is the horse I'm riding.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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17 Jan 2012 11:07 PM
someone will tell us sooner or later. a current admiral will probably tell us later. maybe after they leave rat, or maybe while they're still in the group. maybe somebody else will figure it out and tell us. perhaps ct will simply tell us. we'll see.
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