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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 05:41 PM
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 05:44 PM
That is just sick that child Labor still goes on.
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gamer326 is not online. gamer326
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15 Jan 2012 05:48 PM
Not CHILD labour
Also, it is Foxconn that is guilty of using cheap labor not Apple
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 05:48 PM
Well the children work because they are desperately poor.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 05:50 PM
>Well the children work because they are desperately poor.

And we live in a society that is able to grant every living being an adequate home, and adequate access to food, medical care, and education. Poverty, even relative poverty, should have been eradicated by now.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 05:50 PM
Yeah, we know, but it must be this way. The last time we tried to sanction companies that use child labor, tens of thousands of children were pushed into the oldest profession in existence.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 05:51 PM
I don't support trying to find solutions within the capitalist mode of production. The system that makes this necessary should be abolished.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 05:52 PM
It's not the system that makes it necessary. It's the government that presides over the country.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 05:52 PM
>And we live in a society that is able to grant every living being an adequate home, and adequate access to food, medical care, and education. Poverty, even relative poverty, should have been eradicated by now.
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Sadly most people don't care or even KNOW that child labor still goes on.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 05:56 PM
>It's not the system that makes it necessary. It's the government that presides over the country.

Didn't read the article? Apple could increase the value of safety, wages and housing, without making a considerable dent in their profit margin.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 05:58 PM
Foxconn manufactures it, not Apple.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 06:00 PM
>Foxconn manufactures it, not Apple.
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Even though Foxconn produces it, it doesn't mean that Apple can't make better conditions for the workers.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 06:02 PM
Yes it does...
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 06:03 PM
Apple doesn't have to have Foxconn producing their products.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 06:05 PM
It's not as if there are many companies in China that treat their workers better. And besides, if they stopped getting products from Foxconn, then Foxconn would fire all of their workers, and they'd all be unemployed, instead of just having low wages.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 06:06 PM
>It's not as if there are many companies in China that treat their workers better. And besides, if they stopped getting products from Foxconn, then Foxconn would fire all of their workers, and they'd all be unemployed, instead of just having low wages.

Which is more of an argument against the capitalist mode of production than it is for it.
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Epicwinmatt is not online. Epicwinmatt
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15 Jan 2012 06:06 PM
One Foxconn worker Mike Daisey interviewed, outside factory gates manned by guards with guns, was a 13-year old girl. She polished the glass of thousands of new iPhones a day.
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Oh damn, guards with guns?
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Ewtron is not online. Ewtron
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15 Jan 2012 06:09 PM
It goes on all over the world. I head that the clothing for Abercrombie & Fitch, American Eagle and Aeropostale are also made via child labor.

Don't quote me on it, I'm not certain if it's true.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 06:09 PM
Which is more of an argument against the capitalist mode of production than it is for it.
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It's an argument for a government that sets reasonable labor standards.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 06:11 PM
>It's an argument for a government that sets reasonable labor standards.

Then Apple would just move to India or Bangladesh.
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Epicwinmatt is not online. Epicwinmatt
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15 Jan 2012 06:12 PM
Apparently, if you read in the article, Unions are highly illegal in China, and anyone found organizing a union will be imprisoned.

Ahh, Communism is so great, right COD kids?
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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15 Jan 2012 06:13 PM
But I want ALL of those countries to set reasonable labor standards. The world has been moving towards democratization, if you haven't noticed.
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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15 Jan 2012 06:15 PM
Sadly I don't think all countries will improve their labor laws.
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Ewtron is not online. Ewtron
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15 Jan 2012 06:17 PM
It's consumerism, not capitalism, that is to blame. Why else would there be cheap labor? Creating a whole bunch of stuff to sell for a higher price than it takes to make. It's basic greed.
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AltGrimReaper is not online. AltGrimReaper
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15 Jan 2012 06:17 PM
>But I want ALL of those countries to set reasonable labor standards. The world has been moving towards democratization, if you haven't noticed.

I have noticed. I've also noticed, though, that governments are corrupt, and that large corporations prefer low-wage unskilled labor.
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