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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 01:49 AM
"Exploiters annoy the hell out of me. They must be punished. I think ROBLOX should start creating Place Moderators. People that jump from place to place for a minute or two, and make sure there are no exploiters. IF there are, they need to have a button to ban them."
~Jagger19

Jagger19 posted that response on a thread of mine explaining how exploiters need to get harsher punishments, and that ROBLOX needs to pay more attention to the exploiter issue.

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Thread here in case you would like to see it:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=57730801
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As you probably know, Jagger19's post sparked an idea in my head, and that is why I am posting a thread. Of course, if I had no idea, then I would not be posting, now would I?

Anyway, I will get to the point now.

Exploiters are seen all over the place. They ruin fun games, and some people may even quit because of them. Of course, that is not a good thing, because it is bad on ROBLOX's reputation.

The idea that I got from Jagger19 was place moderators. They go around looking for exploiters, and when one is found, they record it, and report them to ROBLOX with the video.

Of course, the way this reporting works is different, otherwise there would be no point in this. These place moderators are given special features in-game.

What these players can do is find exploiters, and record a video of them. Any video that players record are put into a special database until they leave. This way, when the place moderators record the video, they click on the exploiter's name after. Instead of there just being a button to send a friend request, there is a button saying "Report".

After this button is clicked, the report is put in, and it contains any videos that the place moderator recorded. This is the reason why videos are put into a special database, so that they may be automatically taken and sent in with the report. After the report has been seen, the exploiter gets banned if it was a legitimate report. Not all the videos recorded have to be of the exploiter, because of course, place moderators would also wish to play games, and record their own videos. But, upon reporting, any videos taken are sent to the administrators.

Place moderators would not get payed, and it would obviously not be a job on that matter. The place moderators are hand-picked by the moderators judging by who they deem trust-able. These users would probably be found on the forums, since it is the only area that I see where trust-able users may be found, since the moderators may see their actions.

After this update would be made, exploiters would start being found instantly. The concept is easy, but would take some programming on ROBLOX's part.


NOW, a new thought just popped into my head as I was about to wrap things up. People who are not place moderators could also have a report button, but it works differently. This report button says "Report Hacker". When clicked, the user's name gets sent to a page on the site that is only accessible by place moderators. If the user reported is already on that page, then they are not added to it again.

Beside each of the users on this page is a follow button. When clicked, the place moderator enters the place as a guest, and of course, is unable to chat. This way, they are taken as a mere guest, and may be targeted by exploits more. The only difference from being an actual guest though is that they can still see the whole chat (just not send things other than things from the chat menu), and they still have their same report button.

The point in this is that when a normal user reports the exploiter, a place moderator may follow that user, and see if they are using exploits again. After that user is followed five times or gets banned, their name comes off the list, to clear space for other people to be followed.


Remember: There is no reward for this. Place moderators are people who would do this out of kindness. Of course, the amount of place moderators ROBLOX may have at one time would not be limited, because it would never hurt to have more trust-able people on patrol. They may work as often as they like to.

To wrap things up, I will state that if a place moderator constantly reports someone falsely, or it is clear that they are purposely reporting someone falsely, their status as a place moderator is taken away from them.


I think that pretty much wraps things up.
Be nice when responding, and please state why you do not support if that is the case.
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Vultraz is not online. Vultraz
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02 Jan 2012 01:54 AM
I think this could be shortened to
"PMods are respected players appointed by ROBLOX staff to participate in flagging up rulebreakers but with more priority than the regular player report"
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 01:56 AM
Actually, Vultraz, I'll get your opinion on this. Do you think maybe they could look through normal player reports to, and send them to the priority list if they believe they need to be? :$
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no2eragonfan is not online. no2eragonfan
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02 Jan 2012 02:01 AM
I support.
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cideadfsbaman is not online. cideadfsbaman
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02 Jan 2012 02:04 AM
Support.
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Jagger19 is not online. Jagger19
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02 Jan 2012 02:19 AM
As it was my idea, support. XD

E981, your Ego shall soon be on my mantel!
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 02:21 AM
I was expecting Jagger to be against this. Awks. :$
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:06 AM
I do not support this idea. What you suggest is impractical-there is no possible way even a team of one-hundred Place Moderators could make much of a difference concerning the exploiter problem due to the fact that there are thousands of places, and over a million unique monthly visitors.

Also, what you suggest is a form of "underage volunteer moderator". I do not know what the majority of the staff's opinions on volunteer moderators anymore, however it does not look good for two reasons: one, all of the underage volunteer forum moderators were fired last year, and now all of the volunteer forum moderators are over 18; two, Sorcus, a ROBLOX Developer (administrator) said the following to me in a message when we were discussing a certain issue: "I am not an Attorney so I can't answer you on the legal aspect but nevertheless, Volunteer Moderators are bad, and in my opinion that kinda thing never works. Especially when the Volunteers are under 18 and have a huge stake in the game/market they are moderating. Not going to happen.
~Sorcus"


-SCS
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:09 AM
@SCS

Well then we'll see what happens.

I trust you, but the whole thing where people quote moderators is annoying me, 'cause people tend to use these common quotes all the time, and some probably aren't even legitimate quotes.
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:12 AM
@ChaosEspeon

That's not a 'common quote', it was sent to me in a private message in response to a question I had. Also, your point doesn't even matter, because his logic is sound. Is it really a good idea to let children under 18 moderate any sort of task for a large corporation such as Roblox? It could cause so many possible legal problems for them it's not even funny.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:16 AM
@SCS

Don't assume things. I never said that was a common quote. I said I'm a little tired of hearing quotes from administrators, because people use all these common ones as their response to threads, even though it uses none of their own logic to prove that it is not a good suggestion/idea.

& Everyone's point matters, but that doesn't mean their point will be listened to. All I said is that I'll leave it, and see how things go. I really have nothing to debate about with someone who's said something non-arguable.
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:37 AM
@ChaosEspeon
You have now referred to my quote as "common" twice. I strongly recommend you reread your posts.

Also, you failed to address one of the critical issues with your idea that I pointed out: children should not be allowed to represent a corporation.
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ninjawarrior25 is not online. ninjawarrior25
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02 Jan 2012 03:38 AM
That would actually be good for roblox. Support.
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ninjawarrior25 is not online. ninjawarrior25
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02 Jan 2012 03:39 AM
@SCS and ChaosEspaon
Don't turn this into an arguement.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:40 AM
@SCS

No, you read them again. "These" was referring to only the common ones, not yours.

And I don't feel the need to address what you have already addressed.
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:47 AM
@ChaosEspeon

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that. I'm pretty tired right now.

If you cannot address my argument, then your suggestion may contain logic holes.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:49 AM
@SCS

I talk a little weird. :/

And yes, it does. That is why I refuse to do so.
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:51 AM
@ChaosEspeon

However, don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the fact that you posted this idea. Exploiting is a serious problem that has, and needs to continue to be, dealt with. Even if your idea is not the best, perhaps it could help spark future ideas that would be more beneficial.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:54 AM
@SCS

Well, this idea is possible, but with an age restriction. But, not many people actually play ROBLOX at the age of 18, so I don't know who would do it, especially with the whole part where you wouldn't even get payed. :/
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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 03:57 AM
@ChaosEspeon

The problem of your idea being ineffectual remains. However, if you can think of a way to make your idea effectual, please do post it.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 03:59 AM
@SCS

Well, I don't actually know the child labor laws that interfered with the whole forum moderators thing in the past. You wouldn't happen to know somewhere where I can actually read any interfering laws, would you?



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SCS is not online. SCS
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02 Jan 2012 04:02 AM
@ChaosEspeon

I have done some research and talked to some people, and it seems that law isn't necessarily the issue. It could be, but the main idea seems to be that it's not a good idea to use children to represent a company. However, I could be incorrect about this.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 04:05 AM
@SCS

What I heard was that there were child labor laws that went against the whole 14-17 year old forum moderator thing.

I'm probably going to search this stuff up soon. But, children representing them may be an issue.



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Jagger19 is not online. Jagger19
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02 Jan 2012 08:08 PM
Children representing a children's company is not THAT bad of an idea. Anyway, we do need some better system of reporting exploiters, at the very least. If you guys have any OTHER ideas, please. I've noticed you guys only posting loop holes, instead of trying to fix them.
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ChaosEspeon is not online. ChaosEspeon
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02 Jan 2012 08:24 PM
@Jagger

Well, the issue we need to work on is that there will be children representing like, the foundation of the company.



~I was in the children's room of the S&I - Place was packed!~
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