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Re: I think the first UAV vs UAV dog fight will happen this decade

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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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31 Dec 2011 09:46 AM
I mean with usa spending more on their drone program, spying on iran and with iran havign state of the arc drone technology in their hands, it's only a matter of time before they develope their own.

I think the first dog fight will be as important to the 21st century as the first tank fight was in the early 20th centruy and the first use of massed artilery in the early 19th century.
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31 Dec 2011 09:49 AM
AFAIK UAVs are not fitted with cannons and are not real damn fast as planes, so i doubt a dogfight would happen, more like both of them fire a missile at eachother and die.

But as i said in the other thread, it would be a better idea to take out the UAVs command centre with a missile.
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31 Dec 2011 09:51 AM
It would also be better to destroy an airfeild then then a fighter plane.

but you can;t do that, stupid, because you need to get past the fighter plane.
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31 Dec 2011 09:54 AM
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31 Dec 2011 09:57 AM
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31 Dec 2011 09:57 AM
Bombing the airfield after the fighters have gone airborne is a bad idea. Shooting a UAV control station is always a good idea. Also UAVs are more of a recon/anti insurgency types of vehicles with limited payload and higher unit cost than fighters.
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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31 Dec 2011 10:02 AM
>higher unit cost than fighters.

I beg to differ, PR is a very vaulble commidity, alot of it is lost when a piolt dies, evne worse if he's captured.

Also it's only a matter of time before UAV fighters are made.


The first planes in WW1 were recon planes, then recon planes started droping grenades, then other recon planes saw this, and some smart men started puttign machine guns on their planes.
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31 Dec 2011 10:02 AM
Although I have no way whatsoever of backing this up, I would imagine that a skilled fighter pilot would have no problem getting past a few drones.
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31 Dec 2011 10:03 AM
Who says the UAV pilots would not be skilled.


Plus UAV pilots would be VERY easy to draft ;)
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31 Dec 2011 10:27 AM
>Iran has one captured and outdated drone

UMG DEY HAZ LAZER SIENCE.
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31 Dec 2011 10:21 PM
I mean with usa spending more on their drone program, spying on iran and with iran havign state of the arc drone technology in their hands, it's only a matter of time before they develope their own.
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No. Its not. Drones are counter insurgency weapons. Nothing to wage war with. Right now, I find it funny how almost all the big powers are investing in STEALTH FIGHTERS! The US, Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, and I believe India are all working to develop working stealth fighters. Their generals know much more than we all do, and they sure as hell all agree on stealth fighters. That is the future.


I think the first dog fight will be as important to the 21st century as the first tank fight was in the early 20th centruy and the first use of massed artilery in the early 19th century.
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No. It won't.

It would also be better to destroy an airfeild then then a fighter plane.
but you can;t do that, stupid, because you need to get past the fighter plane.
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Israel disagrees.
Israel effectively disabled the entire Egyptian Airforce in 1 day during the 6 Day War. Imagine a strike on drone bases in a conventional war.

I beg to differ, PR is a very vaulble commidity, alot of it is lost when a piolt dies, evne worse if he's captured.

Also it's only a matter of time before UAV fighters are made.
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No. Its not. They have been proven to be very weak. Look at those Georgian drones in 2008.

The first planes in WW1 were recon planes, then recon planes started droping grenades, then other recon planes saw this, and some smart men started puttign machine guns on their planes.
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UAVs are more like blimps. Cheap, easy pray that have almost no use in the modern CONVENTIONAL battlefield.
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01 Jan 2012 06:32 AM
i dont really see any point in unmanned fighters, it slows down all reactions and limits the pilots senses, unmanned bombers are another thing, but it would remove stealthiness of a small UAV as it would require a large vehicle to carry a big payload and while it would protect the pilot, it would suffer from a high unit cost.
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01 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
"But as i said in the other thread, it would be a better idea to take out the UAVs command centre with a missile."

Ever try to hit a target in the US with a missile?
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01 Jan 2012 01:09 PM
That creates weird loops very dependant on technology in the chain of command, also ping.
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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02 Jan 2012 09:25 AM
Again UAVs cna always be piolted from base, and would be pretty easy to draft in a major war.

For one they require less physical training to fly, you won't have to experience the Gs a fighter pilot has to.

Also it's a much safer military job, making it very attractive.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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02 Jan 2012 09:31 AM
A MQ-9 costs as much as a F-22 raptor, guess which one wins in a dogfight?
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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02 Jan 2012 10:02 AM
it's like asking if a B-2 bomber could beat an f-22

it's a stupid question.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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02 Jan 2012 10:39 AM
B-2 is not unmanned and is a heavy stealth bomber thus its not like asking that.

And the point was, that UAVs cost too much to be used extensively.
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02 Jan 2012 10:59 AM
Those are not what UAV's are used for. What are you, retarded Bio?
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Person299 is not online. Person299
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02 Jan 2012 11:07 AM
"A MQ-9 costs as much as a F-22 raptor, guess which one wins in a dogfight?"

Unless I'm mistaken, a MQ9 costs a fifth as much as a F22.
Although a F22 could probably take on 5 of them in a dogfight.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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02 Jan 2012 01:02 PM
Whoops, my bad, 150 million gets you a control station and 4 UAVs, a single plane costs 30 million which is still alot.
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02 Jan 2012 02:13 PM
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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02 Jan 2012 03:35 PM
The predator drones are NOT MEANT AS FIGHTER PLANES.

It's like asking if an A-10 can fight an F-22
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