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| 28 Nov 2011 04:27 PM |
First off, this thread states my opinion. If you have a problem with it, please do not say something like "WOW THIS IS SO STUPID IDIOT". Instead, say what you think could be different.
In almost any war, both leaders will declare victory even though the rest of the clan world knows who really was victorious. Most of the time it's because one leader says the other wasn't following his base's rules for raiders. For example, you can't raid Imperial Legionnaries unless there are 3 IL members at the fort and you are on their enemy list. First, how are you suppose to make enemies without being able to raid them? That also means the battles would have to be set up, because lots of times there aren't even enough people there to raid the base. The only time a battle should be set up is if it's taken place in a warzone. I think there should be less organization in wars, and I mean that by how battles are set up and rules while raiding.
War is not meant to be fair. I hate it when people are complaining that bases aren't fair to raid. I don't think D'Day was fair, or nearly any other battle in the world. The only clan place that should be close to fair should be a warzone. I also think that a clan should be able to have 15 troops in a server if there are 30 max in a server, and for every member the enemy doesn't have there to add up to 15, an extra person could join until the server is full, but this should ONLY be at a warzone. In a raid, there should be nearly no balancing rules, and defiantly none in numbers of troops.
Basically, clan warfare is now a set of rules. It was much better when admin was very rarely used, there wasn't the threat of an "Autowin", and when nothing needed to be perfectly fair. Think about it. If there were autowins for banning people, the enemy could just flame and spam the chat in a base for a long time when the group is having a meeting or something. Then when the leader bans them (Which would be fine in my opinion if they ban them) the enemy could just declare victory because of an "Auto win", which is just stupid.
Again, this is my opinion, if you don't agree with it just tell me what you think should be changed, and not just saying it's all horrible. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:37 PM |
| The reason this doesn't exist now with lots of clans but lots of people agree with it is because lots of clan troops agree with it, but many clans leader disagree and think every battle and raid should be set up. And of course, most clan leader don't take their members' opinions unless they're a high rank. |
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Caduta
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:38 PM |
| WOW THIS IS SO STUPID IDIOT |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:39 PM |
Minor Threat. Far warfare. I remember those days.
{-->Why did the boy drop his ice cream? He was hit by a bus.<--} |
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CVW
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:41 PM |
| Agreed. Franneh was not fair, but no one ever said: "ZOMG WE WIN CUZ U R SPAWNKILLNG UZ11!!11!!11" |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:42 PM |
| Thanks for the support, I just wish some superclan leaders would read this. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:45 PM |
| Welcome to the community. Blame all the ten year olds. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:47 PM |
| @Laz, no. This is not the community. If it was the community, this would be clan warfare. There are superclan leaders that don't agree with this, that's why there is all of the argument all the time about who was Victorious and that's why almost every leader had a "Fair" raidable base. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 04:48 PM |
| Wait, I think I misunderstood you Laz, sorry. |
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Lazarex
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:01 PM |
| True. I've seen enough of the "OGM! BASE IS UNFAIR AND FWEE MODELLED!" with warfare. It's stupid for somebody to claim victory for explaining the rules before a battles by using Admin. |
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CVW
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:07 PM |
@max That does get irritating.
Ive seen it at WIJ bases, and RAT bases, I've even seen it at a PAF base before, its annoying the excuses they will find to flame people. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:07 PM |
| Also, I forgot to post anything about empty server raiding. I think that clans SHOULD be able to empty server raid. If they're at war, it's the defending clan's fault that they don't have patrol at their bases. They should find out within minutes that an enemy is raiding, and they can get their members there quickly and re-take the base. If you could never empty server raid, the enemy could just never have anyone at their bases, and you wouldn't be able to raid them. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:10 PM |
@riol
I agree on that point too. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:12 PM |
| The only exception for my opinion on empty server raiding would be if the raid is at a time around 10 PM Eastern - 3/4 PM Eastern on a school day. And they would not just "Win" after a certain amount of time, the battle would go on until it actually ends. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:26 PM |
| Rio, what would you consider a victory? |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:41 PM |
| @Ima, when the other clan surrenders or is inactive for a while in a war. If you mean when raiding a base, when the team not in control of the base surrenders or everyone leaves. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:43 PM |
See those two ignorant flamers, that's why I moved to RT.
Agreed, it can also sometimes end up like the Cold War, a war of words, and a war of pixels. |
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| 28 Nov 2011 05:48 PM |
Agreed, but about the "fairness". You expect someone to put up a good fight when the raiders have pistols and the group member have rocket launchers that can kill even with FF? Or the raiders spawn with knifes and the group members spawn with 1 hit KO snipers which bullets explode upon touch? Or raid a fort where the walls are 50 studs high and the only way in is a door which is guarded with .50 cal chain guns? Boy, that warfare would be stupid and we know who would win. The group with the most UN-even fort. |
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