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Re: We didn't actually win The War for Independance because of our strength

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pokemonmaster914 is not online. pokemonmaster914
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26 Nov 2011 10:23 AM
It was because the British knew that even if they won the war, people would still rebel and it wasn't worth it to waste money and troops on colonists.

Plus they assumed we would just crumble by ourselves, and then beg the British to become one with them again.


Just pointing that out, also like Americans argue on Vietnam, one could argue that it was an "honourable retreat"
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Warrab is not online. Warrab
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26 Nov 2011 10:34 AM
No, it's because the British royalty royally screwed up. Even the American rebels pledged their support to the monarchy a few months before the Revolution began. The American people were very much pro-British.
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wreton34 is not online. wreton34
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26 Nov 2011 11:19 AM
Royalty?

Parliament.
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kingzeb is not online. kingzeb
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26 Nov 2011 11:21 AM
LOLOL

You think Royalty had anything to do with it?!?!

Parliament run the UK, the Queen justs sits there as the head for the stamp and money.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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26 Nov 2011 11:43 AM
britain lost because of the guerilla campaign in the south. In fact, if they had someone like Washington to face in the South instead of the Swamp Fox, America would probably of never existed.
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27 Nov 2011 07:18 AM
Semantics, semantics! No one cares.
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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27 Nov 2011 07:57 AM
twigs

And that's why I like learning about the Southern Campaigns better.
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XieXie is not online. XieXie
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27 Nov 2011 12:18 PM
if they really thought that they wouldn't have sent tons and tons of troops to the US. they would have just left us after a few battles. But the war lasted for years. They also wouldn't have gone into the War of 1812, either.
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27 Nov 2011 12:36 PM
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27 Nov 2011 01:29 PM
May I remind you, Britain was also fighting in alot of different parts of the world at the same time................
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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27 Nov 2011 05:51 PM
Semantics, semantics! No one cares.
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Lolwut?

Its true. Guerilla warfare beat the Brits.

Here. Read this little summary of the campaign

The two forces fought a string of battles, most of which were tactical victories for the British. In almost all cases, however, the "victories" strategically weakened the British army by the high cost in casualties, while leaving the Continental Army intact to continue fighting. This was best exemplified by the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. Several American victories, such as the Battle of Cowpens and the Battle of King's Mountain also served to weaken the overall British military strength. The culminating engagement, the Siege of Yorktown, ended with the British army's surrender, and essentially marked the end of British power in the Colonies.

Now why did they go to Yorktown?

Well, here...

After Charleston, organized American military activity in the South collapsed. The states, however, carried on their functions, and the war was carried on by partisans such as Francis Marion. General Clinton turned over British operations in the South to Lord Cornwallis. The Continental Congress dispatched General Horatio Gates, the victor of Saratoga, to the South with a new army, but Gates promptly suffered one of the worst defeats in U.S. military history at the Battle of Camden on August 16, 1780, setting the stage for Cornwallis to invade North Carolina. At this stage in the war in the South, the American cause was at an extremely low ebb.

The tables were quickly turned on Cornwallis, however. Attempts to raise Loyalists in large numbers in North Carolina were effectively crushed when Patriot militia defeated a large force of Loyalists in the Battle of Kings Mountain on October 7, 1780. The British plan to raise large Loyalist armies failed; not enough Loyalists enlisted, and those who did were at risk once the British army moved on. Kings Mountain and continuing harassment of his communications and supply lines by militia forces in South Carolina forced Cornwallis to winter in South Carolina.

Gates was replaced by George Washington's most dependable subordinate, General Nathanael Greene. Greene assigned about 1,000 men to General Daniel Morgan, a superb tactician who crushed Tarleton’s troops at the Battle of Cowpens on January 17, 1781. As he was after Kings Mountain, Cornwallis was later criticized for detaching part of his army without adequate support.[27] Greene proceeded to wear down his opponents in a series of skirmishes and military movements referred to as the "Race to the Dan" (so named because the Dan River flows close to the border between North Carolina and Virginia), where each encounter resulted in a tactical victory for the British but gave them no strategic advantage. Cornwallis, who knew that Greene had divided his forces and wanted to face either Morgan's or Greene's contingent before they could rejoin, stripped his army of all excess baggage in an effort to keep up with the fast-moving Patriots. When Greene learned of this decision, his gleeful response was "Then, he is ours!"[28] Cornwallis' lack of provisions as a consequence played a role in his later difficulties.
General Nathanael Greene, portrait by Charles Willson Peale

General Greene first engaged Cornwallis at Cowan's Ford, where he sent William Lee Davidson with 900 men. The battle was near an end when Davidson was killed in the river, after which the Americans retreated. Greene was weakened but he continued his delaying tactics, fighting a dozen more skirmishes in North and South Carolina against Cornwallis and his officers. About 2,000 British troops died in these engagements. Greene summed up his approach in a motto that would become famous: "We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." His tactics have been likened to the Fabian strategy of Fabius Maximus, the Roman general who wore down the superior forces of the Carthaginian Hannibal by a slow war of attrition.[29] Greene eventually felt strong enough to face Cornwallis directly near Guilford, North Carolina. Although Cornwallis was the tactical victor in the Battle of Guilford Court House, the casualties suffered forced him to retreat to Wilmington for resupply and reinforcement.

While Cornwallis was unable to completely destroy Greene, he recognized that most of the supplies that the American forces were relying on were coming from Virginia, a state that up to this point in the war had been relatively untouched. Against the wishes of Sir Henry Clinton, Cornwallis resolved to invade Virginia in the hopes that cutting the supply lines to the Carolinas would make American resistance there impossible.

On arrival in Virginia, Cornwallis took command of the existing British forces in the region, which had been commanded first by turncoat Benedict Arnold and then by Major General William Phillips. Phillips, a good personal friend of Cornwallis, died two days before Cornwallis reached his position at Petersburg.[34] Having marched without informing Clinton of his movements (communications between the two British commanders was by sea and extremely slow, sometimes up to three weeks),[35] Cornwallis sent word of his northward march and engaged in destroying American supplies in the Chesapeake region.

In March 1781, in response to the threat of Arnold and Phillips, General Washington had dispatched the Marquis de Lafayette to defend Virginia. The young Frenchman had 3,200 men at his command, but British troops in the state totaled 7,200.[36] Lafayette skirmished with Cornwallis, avoiding a decisive battle while gathering reinforcements. It was during this period that Cornwallis received orders from Clinton to choose a position on the Virginia Peninsula—referred to in contemporary letters as the "Williamsburg Neck"—and construct a fortified naval post to shelter ships of the line.[37] In complying with this order, Cornwallis put himself in a position to become trapped. With the arrival of the French fleet under the Comte de Grasse and General George Washington's combined French-American army, Cornwallis found himself cut off. After the Royal Navy fleet under Admiral Thomas Graves was defeated by the French at the Battle of the Chesapeake, and the French siege train arrived from Newport, Rhode Island, his position became untenable. He surrendered to General Washington and the French commander the Comte de Rochambeau on October 19, 1781.
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Warrab is not online. Warrab
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27 Nov 2011 05:59 PM
that was @the two people above you, twigs
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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27 Nov 2011 06:00 PM
oh i see....

but it is undeniable that unconventional tactics, the same uber patriots in America are bawwwing about, created America.
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Boeing717 is not online. Boeing717
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27 Nov 2011 06:01 PM
That article reminded me of the last time I saw something informative on History Channel. It was a documentary about the Southern Campaign talking about how Greene had the reputation of a general who couldn't win a battle but was good in the larger picture, and then after the war's pretty much over he launches an attack on a town just so he actually wins a battle. He lost the battle.
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27 Nov 2011 06:01 PM
*That summary

because i was thinking articles at the time i posted
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