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Re: You're Stupid V2

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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 03:09 AM
It's been quite a while since V1, and re-reading V1, I really see nothing wrong with it. Nonetheless, I'm re-writing this from scratch in the hopes that I can create a version that won't get deleted.

TL;DR will be somewhere in this post and will be obviously marked, please read that if nothing else. If you're going to not support, READ THE ENTIRE POST and make a valid argument for your non-support. If you're neutral, then you don't need arguments, but it'd still be nice to know why you don't support.

One more thing: I don't play the actual game much anymore, I don't build much either, and I may not be up-to-date with some of these updates. Please correct me if I'm wrong on anything and it will change in V3, assuming it's still relevant.

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For a while now, the most notable updates on Roblox have been nothing more than BC promotions. Sure, there's been that new terrain feature, but last time I checked, it's very laggy unless you're in a Mega server, which is BC-only. Data Persistence was a nice feature, but it's not really usable in most games - it only really benefited stuff like RPGs and some other miscellaneous games (such as daxter33's Paintball, which was recently broken - but that's later). The only other feature that was recently released that comes to mind is the Stamper parts and wiring, which, in my opinion, just encourages people to be lazy and use the pre-made 3x3 blocks and models for their places.

Even though I just talked about a few building updates, they're not very good updates, not useful, and they really don't contribute much to the game. Face it, building has become more of an afterthought of Roblox - when you think of Roblox, you think hats and spam. At least, that's what I think of. Building and cool, well-scripted places are something that come to mind much later - after the guest abuse, the exploiting, and the free models. Roblox is a building game, without the games, Roblox is nothing but forums and hats. Yet Roblox seems to have put it aside, making a few moderately useless updates to keep the builders happy.

And then there's the hats. New hats every day. Most of them are priced too high for most NBC players to even dream of affording. Honestly, R$375 for a pair of sunglasses? That's over a year of logging on every day (assuming you get no place visits and no ambassador link money). That's kind of ridiculous. And the "moderately-priced" hats aren't much better, most are at least R$100, which is over 3 months of waiting. This wouldn't be so bad if hats were just something that came out every once in a while that you could use to make your character unique, but they aren't. Hats are pretty much the thing that you think of when you're asked "what's new on Roblox?" Hats. Hats, hats, and MOAR HATZ. The catalog is being emphasized more and more - I wouldn't be surprised if the catalog link was moved in front of the games page link and put in a larger font, like the My Roblox page.

After you get past the ugly, retextured hats and the terrible games on the front page and the spam all over the forums, you get to the glitches. So many, far too many to count. The one that I'm constantly bugged by is that on Chrome, in the box in the upper-right corner of my screen, the icons for each thing are offset by a little, so I can't see if I got a new message or friend request, so I have to check on it again and again (because I do receive messages somewhat often). Also, I can't see the exact number of Tix that I have. I want to know exactly how poor I am.

And then, finally, Builders Club. The thing that you're constantly being pressured to buy. Want more places? Get Builders Club. Want to play those really cool games on the top of the game page? Builders Club. Want to not see offsite ads? Builders Club. Make mega places, make personal servers, buy expensive hats, buy BC-only hats, buy body packages, BUY BUY BUY, SPEND SPEND SPEND. YOU'RE WASTING ALL ME MONEY, BOY! Anyone get that reference? :D

But anyways, it seems like Roblox hates me since I lost my BC. I'm getting warnings/bans for no reason, my threads are getting randomly deleted, etc. I'm honestly quite sure that it's because I'm NBC, because I see people making threads much worse than mine, but they get away with it because they have T/OBC. The admins claim that it isn't the case, but from my point of view, it's far too obvious what's really happening. "You give us money, we let you get away with almost anything".

And then there's more. We don't get told what's in an update, we don't get any say in what happens, etc. But it doesn't matter, because you guys are making money.

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Now, I've been typing for a while, and you've been reading for a while, but I haven't gotten to the actual suggestion. So here it is:

MAKE THE GAME BETTER.

How do you do that? Well, how about this:

1. Take examples from other successful games. RS and MC both have older target audiences, and in my opinion, they have better communities (although that could be because of the better moderation).

2. Use long-term money-making methods. Instead of lying to us, then making more hats, which will get you enough money to stay alive for a little while, try actually doing something to make the game worth spending money on.

3. Stop being such a memory hog. Stop spamming files in hidden folders, make your Chrome plugin not cause massive lag, make Roblox Studio not take up so much memory, make it not be so laggy. Optimize the code.

4. Fix stuff. I know that Roblox is supposed to still be in Alpha, but there's plenty of games that are still in alpha that have far less bugs in them. There's also a little issue going on with the wiki, writers and editors haven't been able to use the wiki in over a month. They get an error whenever they try to go anywhere while logged on.

5. LISTEN TO US. We're the ones who are giving you money, so our suggestions should be important to you, because we're the reason that you still exist today. Read this forum, see some of the good ideas that some of us have, pay more attention to the community.

6. Tell us what's going on. Be more transparent. We should know what's going on, what features you're working on making, what bugs you're working on fixing. Also, give us some more complete documentation. The wiki writers can't document something they don't know about. I only learned what the Modal property of GuiButtons does somewhat recently, and that's only because I was told by jeditkatcheff (spelling?), one of the admins. We shouldn't have to be told about specific things upon request, and only if an admin happens to see our thread. We should know what stuff does.

7. Treat NBC players better. The BC tags are a prime example of how you hate NBC players. You're just causing them to be discriminated against. That doesn't make them want to buy BC, that makes them want to quit Roblox and never waste their time, let alone their money, on a terrible game like this.


So there you go, a list of 7 things that I just typed up on the spot. I know it's a lot easier said than done, but that's what my purpose here is - to do the saying, and your job is the doing. If you did these, I'd be willing to bet that the game quality would improve substantially.


Now I'm going to sleep, I'm supposed to wake up in two hours for school and I need at least some rest before then :l

Discuss, and please note that I typed this up at 4 AM, so there's bound to be stuff that's wrong or that doesn't make sense.
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iornfence is not online. iornfence
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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17 Nov 2011 06:49 AM
other games are other games. as for DP, its been MORE USEFUL THAN ANYTHING TO THOUSANDS OF GAMES! You are finding unprovable "hates" on things. Ye, Roblox wants you to buy BC, its A COMPANY
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deltav is not online. deltav
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17 Nov 2011 07:18 AM
@iorn
'other games are other games. as for DP, its been MORE USEFUL THAN ANYTHING TO THOUSANDS OF GAMES! You are finding unprovable "hates" on things. Ye, Roblox wants you to buy BC, its A COMPANY '

On the subject of unprovability, THOUSANDS OF GAMES USING DP? That *might* be true, and we haven't even talked about the games using them correctly. Sure, it's a very useful thing, but don't go and assume that alot of people use it.

And yep, it's a company. Through I have thought about that, and being a company isn't an excuse. It wants money, it wants profit, but the way it tries to get profit is very unappealing to players. You can't deny that.

When I look at the builders club page, I see 2 things: basic BC is hidden, and 12 month OBC is covered in a green font saying 'MOST POPULAR'. It doesn't help, really. People discovering that the normal BC is hidden get curious, and I don't think that alot of people would believe that a $130 dollar premium function for 12 months is really THAT popular.

In other words, it's ANNOYING. It doesn't really please people to see those things.
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Virtualdarks is not online. Virtualdarks
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17 Nov 2011 07:25 AM
I have to say, Crazypotato4, you sir have just earned another huge portion of my respect. Whereas there are people whom rebel to the power, there are those whom encourage to rebel to the power, and that makes a big difference. The rant, despite being written at such an early time, is wonderful. Terrific. Exceptional.

Now, I'm going to make a very horrible metaphor, but hopefully it gets the point across. Back whenever England MADE the colonies (today known as the USA), they controlled them, much like ROBLOX and their population. England put one too many unfair laws on them, and they rebeled, a revolution. That could happen easily on ROBLOX. The games are becoming dull. Once the players play a few, they assume ROBLOX isn't that good, then never get back on.

"Ye that dare oppose not only the tyranny but also the tyrant, stand forth!" -Common Sense (1776)

So, again with the horrible metaphor, if ROBLOX continues to ignore their population as England once did, something terrible is going to occur. Maybe just a ragequit among the people, or a boycott on BC, I'm not sure, but it could all well happen.

So, once again, eloquent and beautiful as far as the thread goes, and I hope it flourishes. Many more people need to know the truth.

Hint, I wrote several of my own, but they can't even begin to COMPARE with this!

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=53292478

;)

-Virtualdarks
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papey is not online. papey
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17 Nov 2011 07:36 AM
Support.
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tim781 is not online. tim781
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17 Nov 2011 07:39 AM
you forgot how you see an ad when the game is loading and it says "want no more ads? buy BC!"
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deltav is not online. deltav
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17 Nov 2011 07:40 AM
To me, there are 4 kinds of games.

1. You have got games that are made purely for the commerciality of something. These are games that are based on other products, like toys, and most of the time, these games are bad. As in not worth playing.

2. You have got the basic games, that are made for profit. With this, I mean most games from Nintendo, Sony, you name it. These games cost money, and the quality varies a little, but is often high.

3. You have Indie-games, which often are not made for profit, though they can generate alot of it if they become successful. I am talking about MC, World Of Goo, those games. Despite being made by very few people, they can get VERY popular.

4. You have games that emphasize on things like premium, games in which alot of things can only be accessed by money, and with alot of things hinting that BUY NOW is an awfully great choice, do it now. Petpetpark is one of these, and Roblox is going in this direction, pretty quickly.

I assume there are errors in this post, I barely looked anything up, derp.
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Owlz is not online. Owlz
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17 Nov 2011 07:51 AM
Too lazy to read this.
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papey is not online. papey
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17 Nov 2011 08:22 AM
@Owl
lololo
floodcheck
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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 01:39 PM
So far, it doesn't seem that I have anyone using actual logic to prove me wrong. That makes me happy.
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NatFan9 is not online. NatFan9
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17 Nov 2011 02:02 PM
I noticed all the people that are against you are BC members. OPEN YOUR EYES. ROBLOX IS LYING TO US. THEY HAVENT HAD AN OBC CAST IN OVER A YEAR! THIS IS JUST INSANE.

-- Natteh. Just Natteh.
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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 03:17 PM
Bump of Roblox admins being stupid.
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SuperBoss121 is not online. SuperBoss121
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17 Nov 2011 03:20 PM
New Motto: "PAY 2 PLAY!"
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DragonMaster342 is not online. DragonMaster342
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17 Nov 2011 03:44 PM
I shed a tear.

...Not really, but you get the picture.
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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 04:07 PM
I just realized that I promised a TL;DR, yet I didn't actually put one in the original post. :U

If anyone actually sees this who was too lazy to read the original post, then here it is, and a TL;DR will actually be included in future versions of "You're Stupid" (if they end up existing).

OBVIOUS TL;DR IS RIGHT HERE:

Roblox needs to stop making hats and promoting BC, and start making the game better by focusing more on the actual game, and trying to better the community.

OBVIOUS TL;DR ABOVE.

Again, I'll make sure to put this in future versions :U
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SuperBoss121 is not online. SuperBoss121
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17 Nov 2011 04:14 PM
New Motto Suggestion: "PAY 2 PLAY!"
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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 07:10 PM
Bump.
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PokemonEevee is not online. PokemonEevee
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17 Nov 2011 07:41 PM
Too long, didn't read. \\trollface
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crazypotato4 is not online. crazypotato4
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17 Nov 2011 07:51 PM
@Pokemoneevee: Which makes you a complete moron. :)
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pugzy is not online. pugzy
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17 Nov 2011 08:00 PM
"THEY HAVENT HAD AN OBC CAST IN OVER A YEAR! THIS IS JUST INSANE."

Oh dear. No OBC cast in a year. Oh dear.

No one really cared. But, you see all these reasons. These reasons cause the game not to be kid friendly, rather than a separatist paradise and a simple form of anarchy.
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SIDEKICKMAN is not online. SIDEKICKMAN
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17 Nov 2011 08:04 PM
This is on the mind of any member who has an ounce of thought of what is going on. Only, very few members actually think to formulate it into a well-thought-out post and attempt to make a change. +100 respect. +100 credibility.
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drgn42 is not online. drgn42
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17 Nov 2011 08:12 PM
we're patriots....

ROBLOX are the british (no offence to all you brits out there)
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PurelyRandom is not online. PurelyRandom
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17 Nov 2011 08:13 PM
TL;DR NOB MAIK IT SHORTER


-Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.
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SIDEKICKMAN is not online. SIDEKICKMAN
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17 Nov 2011 08:15 PM
I think your quote applies well, PurelyRandom. People do appear brighter until they speak. In your case, you seemed smart but have proven you are a complete moron.
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PurelyRandom is not online. PurelyRandom
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17 Nov 2011 08:15 PM
@Sidekick; Thank you. :3


-Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.
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