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Re: my electronics class' and their attempt to learn programming

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sdfgw is not online. sdfgw
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10 Nov 2011 11:59 AM
It wasn't even programming; it was a flowchart system so child friendly you didn't even realise it was generating BASIC for you.

The flowchart went roughly

let var1 = 0
[arrow]
if var1 == 20
[no arrow] [the 'yes' arrow goes to the end box]
let var1 = var1 + 1
output 1 high
delay 200
output 1 low
delay 200
[arrow to the 'if' box]

I suppose in Lua this would be

var1 = 0
repeat
var1 = var1 + 1
-- output 1 high
wait(0.2)
-- output 1 low
wait(0.2)
until var1 == 20

so my teacher shows us this and of course the class is like LOLWUT

he points to let var1 = var + 1 and asks what it does

some kid: IT TURNS A LIGHT ON

.

later after leik 10 minutes of explanation

teacher's like AND THAT'S HOW IT LOOPS 20 TIMES

guy behind me: THAT'S GENIUS!

mfw
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LocalChum is not online. LocalChum
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10 Nov 2011 12:01 PM
SADNESS.
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LoWDaRkMaTtEr is not online. LoWDaRkMaTtEr
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10 Nov 2011 12:39 PM
Sad, very sad....
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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10 Nov 2011 12:42 PM
How do you feel when you're in that class?
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sdfgw is not online. sdfgw
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10 Nov 2011 01:05 PM
@TheMyrco:

there is one electronics class
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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10 Nov 2011 01:07 PM
But I mean how do you feel, like;
"Not again this"
"Pfft I already know that"

. . .

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sdfgw is not online. sdfgw
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10 Nov 2011 01:09 PM
orite

We spent a couple of lessons on the actual program - nearly all the rest of it was coursework.

the freaking flow chart program has no tables / arrays

> making a memory game where a sequence must be stored

:l
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10 Nov 2011 01:11 PM
>Class doesn't understand how flowchart programs work

wat

we've been doing those since Year 7

- HIDE the EGG. Dube.
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sdfgw is not online. sdfgw
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10 Nov 2011 01:13 PM
i'm sure the use of variables completely confused them

in the same way that

10 + a = 11

would confuse an 8 yo
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10 Nov 2011 01:14 PM
A question; what is that class supposed to do, teach you another programming language or so?

Also be patience, maybe later on you get to the more interesting (advanced) stuff.
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10 Nov 2011 01:17 PM
nah, we're nearly at the end of the class

As to what we do, apart from coursework, it's mostly circuitboards and stuff. Learning about electricity and resistance and capicators and st00f.
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Aaaboy97 is not online. Aaaboy97
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10 Nov 2011 01:18 PM
I tried to explain to a kid what programming is and he was like:

"but I thought computers were programmed in windows"
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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10 Nov 2011 01:19 PM
Lol I don't know what these are :P
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10 Nov 2011 01:21 PM
@Aaa: I believe that the best way to tell him the correct thing after that sentece is:

"It is programmed yes, but not in windows as windows is not an exsisting programming language. The windows Operating System is programmed in C++ and C# and the windows OS does most things on the computer.
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10 Nov 2011 01:22 PM
^
electricity is what makes your computer work
resistance is basically to do with how well an object carries electricity


- HIDE the EGG. Dube.
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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10 Nov 2011 01:24 PM
Oh, that clears up a part of the mist :D
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EverquestI is not online. EverquestI
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10 Nov 2011 01:27 PM
Also circuitboards are the green things in your computer that look a bit like
http://www.roblox.com/CIRCUITRY-item?id=53648781

- HIDE the EGG. Dube.
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10 Nov 2011 01:27 PM
hm

OH GOOD LORD I HAVE AN EXAM MOCK TOMORROW AND I HAVEN'T REVISED AT ALL

thanks for reminding me

in fact, the entire 50 slide revision powerpoint is online; u want?
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10 Nov 2011 01:35 PM
> the freaking flow chart program has no tables / arrays

Bet it does. If this is anything like I think it is, the chip has a "scratchpad" - a 256 byte chunk of addressable memory. Look for a "read" or "write" command.

> making a memory game where a sequence must be stored

That was actually what I did for my AS Electronics Microprocessor coursework. It annoyed the hell out of half the class because I found a speaker, but the other half loved playing it.
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10 Nov 2011 01:36 PM
It's not that bad compared to mine, my teacher says HTML stands for "Internet"...
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10 Nov 2011 01:37 PM
@sdfgw: What?

@Ever: Yes I know how they look, but thanks for the effort. I have also learned at Sience (prop has a different translation in dutch) that the 'runways' (iron-looking stripes that transfer electricity) s I like to call them come more closer to each other, because of more procceses and memory.
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10 Nov 2011 01:38 PM
Yes it was in the sience class about meters. We watched this video:
?v=wqH5Wb3gMKs
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sdfgw is not online. sdfgw
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10 Nov 2011 01:41 PM
eh, all the numbers are ints and are modular between 0 and 255.

40 * 40 = 144

ye

I checked EVERY command, looked through the handbook, nothing. You needed a separate download to actually be able to write BASIC, and that kind of thing is blocked.

I wound up storing the sequence in a number, using base 4 (given there are four possible buttons).

Also had a laugh with tone(pitch, duration), one of the more flexible commands. Got it to play the entertainer.
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10 Nov 2011 01:42 PM
"@sdfgw: What?"

i have a practice exam tomorrow

a past paper of the final exam

and i haven't revised

and absolutely everything i need to know is open in a powerpoint
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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10 Nov 2011 01:43 PM
Okay, my best wishes then :o

Also, what do you think about the video? (I'm going to ask this for a special reason :3)
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