botsj
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:10 PM |
| Technically, its 1999 since 1995-1997 were only cards. |
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Texar
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:15 PM |
>"*Fact check full of numbers and words that hurt my head*"
CORRECTING FACTS OR USING CORRECT FACTS IS ILLEGAL! D:<
...As proven by the America's Republican party on an hourly basis....
____ The complexities of the Human heart can not fit here, but the simplicity of it's one true demise can: Fear. |
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:20 PM |
>...As proven by the America's Republican party on an hourly basis....
kk cool story bro now please prove that the same is not true for the Democratic opposition. |
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Texar
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:26 PM |
>"No please prove that the same is not true for the Democratic opposition."
Very well then.
Why is the same no true for Democrats? Simple, we rarely actually speak up... >.>
Seriously, if you look you will see Republicans everywhere, saying what ever the hell they feel like saying, but Democrats? Usually off doing their jobs or something or other... They really only show up on TV or what ever when it's needed... Not ALL of us can go around trying to compare each other to the worst man ever to exist (A German fellow, almost killed off an entire race, I'm fairly confident you know who he is...).
____ The complexities of the Human heart can not fit here, but the simplicity of it's one true demise can: Fear. |
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:29 PM |
>Usually off doing their jobs or something or other.
which explains the trillion dollar per year waste... yea.. |
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Texar
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| 19 Oct 2011 11:38 PM |
>"which explains the trillion dollar per year waste... yea..."
I really fail to see the relevance, given that it's Republicans which have helped lead us to this massive debt; MUCH more so than Democrats.
An example: EVERY YEAR Bush was in office, the debt was raised, more loans were taken out from China (and other countries... we still owe money to countless allies... I am sure the UK is dying to have their money back...).
And now that we are in debt? The Republican solution consists of shutting down the government entirely and all the while making it easier for large companies to hoard money as they try to go over-seas.
Example: The TEA parties main goals consist of shutting down ALL spending or at least abolishing the very idea of taxation. This would end things such as: Police Protection, Fire Fighters, Medical Facilities, Road Repairs, Regulations of the chemicals and toxins within products, National Military, State Militarized Protection, and so much more...
____ The complexities of the Human heart can not fit here, but the simplicity of it's one true demise can: Fear. |
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| 20 Oct 2011 12:00 AM |
> The TEA parties main goals consist of shutting down ALL spending or at least abolishing the very idea of taxation. This would end things such as: Police Protection, Fire Fighters, Medical Facilities, Road Repairs, Regulations of the chemicals and toxins within products, National Military, State Militarized Protection, and so much more...
I'm gonna break that down.
>The TEA parties main goals consist of shutting down ALL spending or at least abolishing the very idea of taxation.
Shutting down spending = fewer loans needed = less debt, provided we spend the money we do have on paying debt off instead of starting up new programs.
Abolishing taxation = eh. Pros and cons. Pros: Happier citizens, people keep all of what they earn. Cons: No way to pay the police, military or court system(all that other crap can burn in hell). I have a solution to the con but instead of being flamed for it, I'll let you ask if interested. Of course there are more for both sides, but truly the cons really revolve around not having money to pay government workers.
> This would end things such as: Police Protection, Fire Fighters, Medical Facilities, Road Repairs, Regulations of the chemicals and toxins within products, National Military, State Militarized Protection, and so much more...
icwatudidthere Only mentioning the stuff that's actually useful to pull me in. Included in that "so much more" is: Social Security Medicare Medicaid Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Stimulus Programs Other Welfare Programs
What *I* have mentioned is a bunch of government programs that are completely useless and a waste of money, if not bankrupt already like Fannie and Freddie. Without these programs instituted by Liberals(which, by the way, are usually Democrat) we would be better off financially as a country and probably have less debt.
I am not against removing most taxation(against all people, not just the rich like people think Conservatives believe) such as the income tax, corporate taxes, stuff of that like. Sales tax, I believe, is a legitimate way for the government to get money. It would be better off abolished, but it is probably the most corresponding with my beliefs of the taxes. Income tax and corporate tax are wrong though. Ask me why if you care, I'm not going to intentionally make this longer. Yes, the military does require spending, as do the police force and the courts(which are parts of what I believe are the only three true jobs of government). Hence a tax that I believe would be completely legitimate(not the sales tax). If you want to know, ask.
Just so you know, I am not trying to defend Republicans, as most Republicans that claim to be conservatives are just spouting bullcrap. Democrat's aren't completely in the clear either, as I'm sure you know. My post is not to prove you wrong. It was initially, in fact, to tell you why I believe what I believe, but you would not really care, would you. The post became what I disagreed with in yours.
Have a nice read, Texar.
P.S. What the hell did you mean, resort to the Republican strategy, burn the books? |
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| 20 Oct 2011 12:06 AM |
| Trololo song. Enough said. |
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| 20 Oct 2011 12:12 AM |
> The Republican solution consists of shutting down the government entirely and all the while making it easier for large companies to hoard money as they try to go over-seas.
Sorry, I missed that bit. If large companies want to hoard money by going overseas, let 'em. They'll either boom or bust, and either outcome has good results.
The boom can cause lowered prices due to increased income and newer products(as well as raised prices due to greed; the solution to that is not buying those products).
The bust can cause a company that was not stable financially to disappear. If the company is something like (insert major and important company here) then a new company in the business will most likely emerge as the major producer, possibly better than the original, possibly worse(either in product quality or condition of the shop, whatever the public tends to judge).
If worse they will likely enough attempt to become better, if they don't they'll be abandoned and the company will be forgotten.
If better they will either attempt to improve or remain unimproved. The improvement road leads to better products and a more financially sound company. The unimproved product/shop/etc. will result in possible passing in quality and abandonment of the previously major company for the now better one.
The public is going to follow the better company. Taxing that better company so that they can't spend their money on improvement's only gonna screw up the economy worse.
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| 20 Oct 2011 12:16 AM |
I am actually looking forward to Texar's response. ban/floodcheck ban/floodcheck USERS WIN USERS WIN USERS WIN |
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Texar
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| 20 Oct 2011 11:39 PM |
>"The public is going to follow the better company."
Implying the general public is smart enough to recognize quality as opposed to pure popularity or over-advertisement.
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Texar
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| 20 Oct 2011 11:46 PM |
>"icwatudidthere Only mentioning the stuff that's actually useful to pull me in."
Clearly you do not see what I "did there", as I simply stated things off the top of my head, eventually growing tired of the long list and ending it with "and so on" to include the countless things I did not state.
>"I have a solution..."
No you don't... Unless that solution is "Don't lower taxes"....
>"Shutting down spending = less loans needed = less debt"
Not really... The government is going to need to spend no matter what, it's really only a matter of more wisely handling that spending... We're losing lord knows how much money into the middle of no where in the middle east (I kid you not, they try to track where the money is going and it just disappears in the middle of no where... I think last I read the money lost out there is at least in the billions...). And, really, if we're going to pay off China, the UK, and our countless other allies we have stolen all the money we can from in a reasonable time, the government is either going to need to take out MORE loans (which would clearly be counter-productive) or need a HUGE new source of income.
>"P.S. What the hell did you mean, resort to the Republican Strategy, burn books?"
Do Republicans not burn books to heat themselves? Only reason I can think of that people would burn the greatest invention of civilization... >.> (Because I know you probably still won't get it, it's a reference to the fact that the Republican party insists on remaining a christian party and shuns or discourages any other religion or beliefs or even any skin color that is black or white as well as a reference to the ignorance of the religious who tend to burn books which threaten their beliefs... which is pretty much every book out there, even the books they worship...)
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| 22 Oct 2011 01:02 AM |
I do have a solution, which is abolishing all other taxes to add in one new one but you'll flame me with (adjective I have removed to avoid flame) reasons as to why it won't work, so I won't provide more detail.
The public isn't freaking stupid, as you may want them to be. If they aren't looking for quality they can buy from a different company. But I'm sure those companies with worse quality will be both smaller and shorter-lasting than those of better quality.
Yes, the government is going to need to spend. But do you realize how much SMALLER the US Government was in the early 1800's, while still completely legitimate? I do have one question that I'd like you to answer before I say anything more; What is your opinion on the income tax and (separate) would you be willing to continue this debate solely based on that?
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badboy392
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| 04 Nov 2011 05:11 PM |
lolno.
requiem for a dream kills anything you can throw at me |
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