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Re: "Democracy Fails"

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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 09:39 PM
I, Masterwarrior11 conclude Democracy fails with Roblox clans. It gives too much power to the people. I mean the people who are voting are alot of time noobs and not voting for the best leader. Democracy is more like a popularity contest and choosing the most popular leader instead of the best. The best thing to do in a clan is have a dictiorship. I've always thought making a Payed army on roblox would be a good idea. You could pay elite members a certain amount a week to be in the army.
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awesomoshane is not online. awesomoshane
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30 Sep 2011 09:40 PM
wat if i said scar was based off of democracy?

or ur primary
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:40 PM
That's not a Democracy, that's a Republic, idiot.
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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 09:42 PM
Actually no its not shire
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battleskar2 is not online. battleskar2
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30 Sep 2011 09:42 PM
Democracies give no power to the power.


The people elect the elected officials, who have all the power.

Democracies never happened on ROBLOX really. Clans with Democratic views shine in smaller clans, because with smaller clans the elections are a lot more bigger, and actually mean something.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:43 PM
Democracy- Everyone votes
Republic-People vote for Representatives who vote.

For example, ancient Greece was a Democracy, the USA is a Republic.
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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 09:44 PM
Shire USA is a Democratic Republic because everyone votes for the president so ya...
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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30 Sep 2011 09:44 PM
Democratic Republic. The people directly vote for things too.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:46 PM
The people do not vote for the President. Google "Electoral College."
The people HOWEVER vote for Congress members, and that's it. Ergo, a republic.
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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 09:47 PM
The Electoral College basically votes for what the people vote for its just a indirect form of democracy
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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30 Sep 2011 09:48 PM
Did you know the people also vote for things directly? We're not just a republic. We vote directly on laws sometimes, directly on public issues, and if you consider it in a way, we vote directly for the government.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:49 PM
People vote for Congressmen=Republic.
People vote for President=Republic.
People only get a say in polls and ONE way to pass an Amendment.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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30 Sep 2011 09:50 PM
You're totally ignorant if you think the only thing we vote for in the US are congressmen and presidents.
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Vendaris is not online. Vendaris
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30 Sep 2011 09:51 PM
Ancient Greece was a Direct Democracy
USA is a Representative Democracy

Theres a difference you know.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:51 PM
>Did you know the people also vote for things directly? We're not just a republic. >We vote directly on laws sometimes, directly on public issues, and if you consider >it in a way, we vote directly for the government.

Name those things. The USA was created as a Constitutional Republic.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:52 PM
Reaven, you are ignorant if you believe that important things are voted on by us.
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Vendaris is not online. Vendaris
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30 Sep 2011 09:52 PM
@Shire

We vote for representatives who make decisions and rules. Like the president or congressman, governors, things like that.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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30 Sep 2011 09:53 PM
Wiki stolen :P

Referendums can include the ability to hold a binding referendum on whether a given law should be rejected. This effectively grants the populace which holds suffrage a veto on government legislation.

Recalls give people the right to remove elected officials from office before the end of their term, although this is very rare in modern democracies.

Initiatives, usually put forward by the populace, force the consideration of laws or amendments (usually by a subsequent referendum), without the consent of the elected officials, or even in opposition to the will of said officials.
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Vendaris is not online. Vendaris
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30 Sep 2011 09:54 PM
Shire, its obvious you are a Republican and I am a Democrat. Two different political groups and you are talking about your political group. However the US was born a Democracy.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:55 PM
@Vendaris, that's a Republic.

Cultural Dictionary

republic definition

A form of government in which power is explicitly vested in the people, who in turn exercise their power through elected representatives. Today, the terms republic and democracy are virtually interchangeable, but historically the two differed. Democracy implied direct rule by the people, all of whom were equal, whereas republic implied a system of government in which the will of the people was mediated by representatives, who might be wiser and better educated than the average person. In the early American republic, for example, the requirement that voters own property and the establishment of institutions such as the Electoral College were intended to cushion the government from the direct expression of the popular will.

-American Heritage
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 09:58 PM
Vendaris, you do know that the modern Democratic Party was once called the Democratic-Republicans, shortened to Republicans, right?
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Vendaris is not online. Vendaris
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30 Sep 2011 09:58 PM
Lol thats where you are wrong, we are a Democracy because everyone is EQUAL.
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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 09:59 PM
Actually shire when the united states was created it was first created as a confederacy
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Masterwarrior11 is not online. Masterwarrior11
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30 Sep 2011 10:01 PM
First of all the Democratic-Republicans are nothing like the current Democratic party Democratic-Republicans believe in things very different from the democrat party now democrat and republican developed a little later.
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ForTheShire is not online. ForTheShire
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30 Sep 2011 10:02 PM
Everyone is equal in unalienable rights (also stated in the Declaration of Independence), but some are smarter or more athletic, some are more powerful. We are equal only in those unalienable rights given to us by God.


Don't try to show me up, I had to write a paper today ON those rights among other things.
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