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Re: What if Turkey was part of the Axis during WW2?

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History0 is not online. History0
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20 Sep 2011 07:18 PM
That would have been very interesting, because not only would that mean that the Axis would have a larger army, but they would control the Bosphorus, get another place from which to attack the Allied colonies in the Middle East and North Africa and what might even more important, they would be able to strike directly at the Caucasus.
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20 Sep 2011 07:30 PM
Interesting.

I don't think it would have made a large impact.
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20 Sep 2011 07:51 PM
If the Axis succeeded in advancing through Syria, they could have reached Suez, this would be very useful for the Axis forces in Asia and East Africa.

One of the main problems of the Axis was their lack of oil, they never managed to take most of the Caucasus which would have solved that, but having Turkey in their side would let them do that, it would also make it more difficult for the Soviets to fight.
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20 Sep 2011 08:05 PM
But Turkey had a very weak military. It would probably be as useful as Italy was.
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20 Sep 2011 08:08 PM
It would simply work as a springboard to those places and to block the Bosphorus to the Allies, their military is just a small bonus.
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20 Sep 2011 08:20 PM
Maybe. But they could also be a liability to the Germans because they would be made to defend the entire country from the Allies since they could not do it themselves. Getting a massive army from Germany to Turkey in those days might have been impractical.
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20 Sep 2011 08:34 PM
I don't think so, considering that they didn't retake Norway (I don't know if they did try and invasion), and that sending troops to support Greece didn't stop the Germans from taking it, so the Allies probably wouldn't be very interested in invading a place.

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Something which isn't relevant to the topic which I thought a few days ago, could have the Winter War gone much better for the U.S.S.R if they tried to do amphibious assualts?
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20 Sep 2011 09:06 PM
"Winter War"

"Winter"

>frozen

The Baltic Sea freezes during winter. So no.
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20 Sep 2011 09:28 PM
Turkey would of invaded Greece, freeing up German soldiers, as well as Turkish and German forces striking south into Syria with the Afrika Korp and possibly Palestinian insurgents and Iranian supported soldiers clearing out a huge chunk of the ME.
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20 Sep 2011 09:34 PM
Turkey was too weak to invade Greece.
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20 Sep 2011 09:37 PM
No.

Turkey had 1 million men mobolized for war.
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20 Sep 2011 09:39 PM
Sir that would be 1/15 of their population. North Korea is at 1/23 of their population now.
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20 Sep 2011 09:42 PM
Have you seen the Battle of Greece order of battle sir?

Just 200,000 more men would of gladly of tipped the scale in favor of the Axis without major German assistance.
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20 Sep 2011 09:44 PM
Sir perhaps but could Turkey defend itself in the South and Northeast I do not think so sir.
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20 Sep 2011 09:48 PM
Russia wouldn't of attacked Turkey, and if they did, it would of been disasterous as it would of diverted much needed soldiers from the battlezone, and any attack from the South would of mobolized many Jihadist guerillas and Iran to battle.
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20 Sep 2011 09:50 PM
Eh well Russia wouldn't even need to attack, it would just need to defend. Turkey definitely did not have a military the same quality as Germany did, with tanks and mechanized infantry etc. So it would be a Turkish masses vs. Soviet masses dealie.
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20 Sep 2011 09:53 PM
But you see, any diversion would of helped alleviate some of the brunt of the Soviet monkeys.
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20 Sep 2011 09:55 PM
But would it be enough diversion to stop the eventual outcome? I don't think so. Besides good luck to the Turkish in crossing the Caucasus mountains eh? Those Caucasians will give em hell.
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20 Sep 2011 10:01 PM
Yes. A large Soviet army diverted from the Caucus could and would of ended great. And this is assuming Turkey helped in Greece, so the winter problems at Moscow would never of happened thus resulting in most of the Soviet Army in collapse.
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21 Sep 2011 07:57 AM
"Sir that would be 1/15 of their population. North Korea is at 1/23 of their population now."

During the Continuation War, Finland had around 350.000 men in it's armed forces, their population was 3,695,610 in 1940.
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21 Sep 2011 01:49 PM
Finland was in a do or die situation. It didn't have much of a choice. There was no direct threat to Turkey.
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21 Sep 2011 02:36 PM
It shows it's possible to mobilize those many troops, and here it would only be 1/15 compared to the 1/10 in Finland.
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