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Re: VAK and RAT. (Repost)

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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
Joined: 30 Oct 2010
Total Posts: 7404
13 Sep 2011 08:12 PM
Completely unedited, here it is.

Up until last night I was noticing VAK followed their leader blindly and needed no evidence to believe anything he said - until I spoke with a couple generals and other HRs over XF. I noticed some of them don't really care for Vaktus all too much.

A general claimed:

"He overestimates us and flips out when we don't live up to his expectations"

A couple colonels claimed:

"A lot of the generals work out some great things for the group, yet he just shoots them down."

One general told me of the UCR story, where most of them agreed to end the UCR war and go on neutral terms. When Vaktus got involved, he basically told TD 'Give me UCR or no deal'

It was with this I discussed the events of Solstice City. I showed them the chat logs we had, and we both agreed that Vaktus had caused most of this.

However, that's merely their opinion. I will present to you the unbiased (to the best of my ability) story and let you form an opinion based off that.

Prior to the battle, I was out to lunch with my friends. I shortly returned home and started getting our scripters together to get some scripts ready for the VAK battle to make everything go smooth. I checked my XF messages to see this:

[13:47] Vaktus: If you're not back by 2:30 (Which is way more time than I should give you) I am adding 20 victories to our battle tally and I may even declare this war a victory for VAK.

To which I replied, shortly after returning: (Please note all edits will be double bracketed, usually to edit out any swearing)

[13:51] ColourTheory: What do you think declaring 20 victories would do other then make you look like a pompous [[REAR END]]?

I abandoned finding the scripters. Instead, I just went right into the place and started editing things:

[13:53] ColourTheory: Anyhow, send me friend requests
[13:53] Vaktus: What?
[13:53] ColourTheory: 1 at each, we'll do the second another day
[13:54] ColourTheory: You and your squad send me FRs
[13:54] ColourTheory: I'm locking Celeste
[13:54] ColourTheory: Erm, Solstice*
[13:54] Vaktus: That is not how this works.
[13:54] ColourTheory: I'll unlock it when your men are in
[13:54] ColourTheory: But it's going to be a pain to get us in the same server and balance it
[13:54] Vaktus: We do not have a sqaud, we send all out troops to the warzone. Last man standing wins.

After that, there was some mild discussion between us.

[[BIAS ALERT! THE FOLLOWING IS MERELY OPINION]]

I would also like to show you a part where it shows how unreasonable he can be. This is him being incredibly stubborn and forcing me to add a new team to the game merely for VAK. Keep in mind I would need to edit a ton of things including spawns and the like which would take well over half an hour.

[14:01] ColourTheory: But making it so only VAK can swith to enemies is adding a simple conditional statement.
[14:01] Vaktus: I made it rather clear to make the "Enemy" team the Vaktovian team.
[14:01] ColourTheory: -facedesk-
[14:01] ColourTheory: Does
[14:01] ColourTheory: It
[14:01] ColourTheory: Matter
[14:01] ColourTheory: I'll rename it
[14:01] ColourTheory: sure
[14:01] Vaktus: Only for your level, obviously. ¬_¬
[14:02] ColourTheory: But I CANNOT change the color of the team

Shortly after he finally just coped with a rename. Keep in mind this chatlog is after a decent amount of argument on the subject.

[[BIAS ALERT OVER, THE REST IS JUST A NEUTRAL EXPLANATION OF FACTS]]

Now, here is where it just comes down to story. Unless otherwise stated, the only evidence we have of this day is that video at the end.. unless any VAK have any screenshots. In which case, you're welcome to show them.

Now, keep in mind Vaktus REFUSED my squad idea. As a result, the following happened:

[14:28] ColourTheory: kk
[14:29] ColourTheory: Let's do this
[14:29] ColourTheory: shutdown... now
[14:29] Vaktus: If either of us quit in the middle = that one lose.
[14:29] Vaktus: Loses*
[14:29] Vaktus: This 'ought to be fun.
[14:29] Vaktus: Let the best man win and let this be a fair fight.
[14:29] Vaktus: And just be ready, my men are like, insane with rage against you right now
[14:30] ColourTheory: Are you in?
[14:31] ColourTheory: Go
[14:31] ColourTheory: I restarted again
[14:32] Vaktus: OK.
[14:32] Vaktus: Ugh, so many trying to join. :P
[14:32] ColourTheory: You just go to a new one
[14:32] ColourTheory: Restarting again
[14:33] ColourTheory: Wait nvm
[14:33] Vaktus: This is tedious.
[14:33] ColourTheory: I'l going in your server
[14:33] ColourTheory: Order your members to leave
[14:33] ColourTheory: so I can come in
[14:33] ColourTheory: and balance it
[14:33] Vaktus: is the 10 WO Ban script in effect?
[14:33] ColourTheory: yes.
[14:33] ColourTheory: Restarting AGAIN
[14:34] Vaktus: Very tedious.
[14:34] Vaktus: I like our hover-transports.

Now, during the battle, I started kicking VAK members as Vaktus ordered them in before most of my men even knew what was happening. I kicked VAK members and started banning them when the same ones kept returning to shout nasty things at me for the original kick. I removed some that came in and Vaktus got angry at me, claiming they were some of their best fighters. This is while he is trying to get some of his men to leave for better fighters (Why not just use the squad system?)

There was one exception with some liam guy that kept spamming the chat with "ADMIN ABUSER" and the like. I warned him to be quiet because we were simply balancing, and he wouldnt hush so we removed him. Was this abuse? that's up to you decide. In my opinion, however, and STRICTLY my opinion, a clan that claims to being so elite shouldn't need to rely on one member, should they?

Eventually, the teams were even. I unban/all'd, (Although I'm not quite sure if it works, I think it does because one of the banned VAK came in torwards the end after some were removed for 10 WOs)

We started the battle. Midway through, a VAK left and an RAT replaced him. Since the battle had started already, I refused to kick the RAT member because of our agreement, that the last team standing won.

After this, Vaktus left mid-battle.

Refer to:

[14:29] Vaktus: If either of us quit in the middle = that one lose.
[14:29] Vaktus: Loses*
[14:29] Vaktus: This 'ought to be fun.

That was forfeit, but we continued fighting. Mostly VAK came in for the next 3 deaths. On my last life, it was mostly RAT vs 3 VAK as they had came in faster. Those VAK got their 10 and were removed, thus we won according to Vaktus's rules.

That right there is the story. With evidence and all.

I never planned to release chat logs out of respect, but with recent events Vaktus hasn't been doing the same - respect goes both ways.

My plea is simple - with these facts present to you, be it VAK or RAT, look them over when making your decision on who you think won. I don't care if RAT think VAK won or vice-versa.

My goal here is to hopefully be mature enough to accept my mistakes, be it my short temper with liam and messy scheduling, or Vaktus's stubborness and refusal to listen to simple pleas for convience.

This is what I did wrong and what he did wrong.

And if there is opinion or bias, my apologies. Hopefully you will be smart enough to look past it and just see the facts.

Thank you, VAK HRs, for showing me you guys actually can think for yourselves. No, I will not name the HRs because they do not deserve the demotions they will get. They're great. If they, however, want to come forward about what they said, by all means go for it.

-Colour

(This is the third time I've reposted this. Quite hilarious - VAK reporting a neutral stating of facts shows to me they know they were in the wrong here.)

I have this backed up, VAK. Stop trying to hide and face what happened, because this thread will ALWAYS be up. I will continue to repost it until a moderator themselves tells me I can't. I have not received moderator action for this post, signifying it was deleted automatically for a large amount of reports. Strange, huh? Wonder who did it.
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ELLYKINS is not online. ELLYKINS
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13 Sep 2011 08:14 PM
Stop trying to act all big boy like CT and go get your mommy to change your diaper already, it's starting to smell in here.

--{ELLY, The Taco of C&G}--
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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
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13 Sep 2011 08:18 PM
I'm not, I'm just preserving a thread. :P
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xshafeex is not online. xshafeex
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13 Sep 2011 08:19 PM
So you are CT's scripter???
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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
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13 Sep 2011 08:21 PM
Nope, I fail at scripting. I know how to script a tiny bit though. But I'm not his scripter.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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13 Sep 2011 08:21 PM
and you felt you needed to repost this cOLD mOLD because...?
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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
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13 Sep 2011 08:24 PM
I felt like it :3
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CheeseyMacral is not online. CheeseyMacral
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13 Sep 2011 08:25 PM
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RobloxInstructive is not online. RobloxInstructive
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13 Sep 2011 08:26 PM
He's reposting facts mixed with bias...
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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
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13 Sep 2011 08:28 PM
It was somebody else's bias, and it's in the double brackets.
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GAMESTOPMIGUEL is not online. GAMESTOPMIGUEL
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13 Sep 2011 08:29 PM
Interesting.

I LEIK STUFFF
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Jelincomi is not online. Jelincomi
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13 Sep 2011 08:32 PM
It was intresting to read, I'll agree with you there.
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