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| 19 Aug 2011 08:27 PM |
My idea of REF
[[Please don’t post hate messages or anything that could make someone else feel bad on the comments. Constructive criticism is permitted as well as any comments or questions.]]
Before I get into in to my ideas I would like to take some time and tell you about myself. I am an X-REF general that loved his clan and I will follow any grate clan leader to the death. This is a main factor of my personality and it makes me who I am. Now, the following text that I am going to type is my ideas on how I see REF today, the good and the bad. I will also talk about why most of the ideas people are getting about RGRM and REF are stupid. So follow along and try not to get lost!
Let me start by talking about the old REF. Ahhh the good old days. All the members that served in REF in 08, 09 and 10 will all agree with me, it was the best time on roblox we ever had. Now this isn't because of the fact that we were the most elite fighting force on roblox, but because of several other facts that made the Roblox experience better back then. 1) The largest clan (UCR) had only a few thousand members….A few thousand…today the largest clan has close to or a little over 100 000 members. 2) People played for fun and not for anything else. Everywhere you go, in every clan, there are some members that just want promotions. Now don’t get me wrong, promotions are good to have; they keep moral up, they indicate a scene of achievement and they give slightly more power over the rank below you. But because of this, people only want promotions and they will do crazy things to get them. Have you ever been in a place when a famous leader came in, then 20 seconds later he is followed by 100 men asking SIR CAN I PLEASE HAVE A PRMOTION, or, SIR I HAVE INFORMATION FOR YOU!!!. These are the people who could have had a chance of being heard back in 08, 09 and 10; but because of the growing amount of members, it is impossible to talk to any leader. So here I have talked about the old REF and how it was back in the old days, I will now talk about how REF came to its down-fall.
Let me take you back a few months before REF’s change to Starwars. REF was still MM, and we were all happy. A few weeks before, a user named Firedart had come into the REF picture putting things off balance. He apparently gave Caleb10909 uniforms and because of that, he was promoted to general that day. Heh heh ya… we didn't like it either and he knew it. A couple weeks after that, he betrayed us all and left taking members with him. This was the first stage in the downfall to REF. Fast forward several weeks after this; REF is recovering from the blow and we are getting back up to power…Now before this point, REF and X101st were at war because of a old conflict between Caleb and Lordnathan, but we didn't mind. We got to fight and we always won. On this random day we didn't realize that lordnathan was abusing his power on roblox and using inappropriate models at his place. Thank the lord for the brave person to record it and post it on a website. The Roblox staff saw it and permanently banned his account. After about a week we all knew it was a Parma-ban, so we got it in our heads that we won the battle….but we were mistaken. At this point most REF became inactive and several left Roblox. This low point in REF lasted a few months. (point brake)
[I am interrupting the story to tell you a little more about myself. At this point in REF I was a Colonel. At one point I was a 3 star but because we didn't know who was a general and who wasn't Pj redid all the ranks and we were all demoted. I convinced Caleb to put me a colonel (im glad to cause major would have been impossible). As time went on I started to become that noob who only wanted promotions, but I got lucky]
(Point brake end) So far, it’s been about half way thru the great depression of REF. Because of people leaving I have become one of the most recognized generals of REF in that time. A little after that Nitrox911 left (Caleb’s friend in Real Life). At this point I message Caleb asking him who will be the next general (because in a CIA order I made him he had to inform me of any and all promotions made from colonel to general). He then promoted me with no response. It is now around the time that we are peaking out of the downfall and starting to rebuild. Over the course of the next few months, I would manage to have the best time in REF ever. To start I was the commander of the CIA, one of the most active groups for the REF and one that Caleb never disbanded until the clone age. I was the commander of the West Point training group, the best time I had ever was training the first 2 batches of cadets to be REF officers. They are now very elite and they are all over roblox. I was also the commander of the reserve force, the public group for anyone who wanted to help REF in defense. So far it looks like my life is going well but that is all soon to change. Because of the amount of things I was doing for REF I thought I was on top of the world. Somehow I believed that it would last forever and I would never fail. Heh heh…well I soon realized that it was too much responsibility for one person to handle, and now is when my personality kicks in. You see, unless I know that there is a un-jumpable obstacle in front of me, I can’t feel released. In this case I couldn’t just say to Caleb “Can I take a week off”, because I still feel that I could come back to it at any time. By leaving everything, I felt released, knowing that I couldn't just come back. I rejoined after this but it was never the same. I ended up leaving 2 more times before I left and never went back.
At this point you are probably board of reading about me so I will talk a little about REF itself. You see, I always thought that I would never leave REF because…well it was the only thing I knew. And after I left I tried to find something new (joined richkid100). I worked for him for a few months and now I work for E981. And over that time period, I found out what most REF will never know until they leave.
This is what I found. You can join a clan and become loyal to it. You can become promoted to the highest rank. You can do everything you can and be the best you can be, but in the end it is worth nothing. I can still remember people leaving REF and I would think “wow this guy is losing out on everything”, but what I didn't know was that it was actually me who was losing everything.
After I left Caleb I was considered a traitor to REF. The problem was I still liked REF and was still a REF in my heart. But every time I saw Caleb he would not talk to me and would shoot me. And I hated REF for it, because REF members would help him do it. I didn't know until now that it is not the right thing to hate a clan for. You can only hate a clan if you hate ever clan member in it. So it is improper to say I hate the REF. What I need to say is I hate Caleb and everyone who follows him…no no….thats even worse. I learned after that, that it is purely the leaders fault. The leader is the one who has all the power. He is the old who guides all the clan members. To be generally speaking, he is a plow and everyone is lined up behind him. They half to be, because if they are not they will wonder off his path and will become lost. And because he is the leader people want to model him. So they will do what he does, they will follow all his orders and try never to disobey; because if they do all that they get more power (aka promotions). Now over time you will find that because you care less and less about everything that doesn't matter (promotions, ranks, clans ect..) You will forgive and forget. You will all end up being friends and connecting with one another.
REF was a good time, but we need to realize that it is our past. We have had an amazing time fighting for REF, fighting for Caleb, killing X101st, training in WP and defending the pentagon. But some people still believe they can bring that REF back. The fact of the matter is that nothing ever happens the same way twice. Think of it as a puzzle, both are the same with the same shapes. You have a red puzzle (Old REF) and a blue puzzle (New REF). You can put the red puzzle together, and have fun doing so. What we are trying to do is use the Red puzzle pieces to construct the blue puzzle; it is the same but is isn't. Because nothing is ever the same we need to find a way to move on. Now just because we half to move on doesn't mean we half to forget it all. We can have a new puzzle to play with, as long as we are building a new one and not trying to replicate of another.
To finish this up with my final point. If you ever want to be the best you can be; you need to stop trying to remodel the old REF. You need to start a new clan or group. Sure, hold onto the memories of the old REF, but don’t try and recreate them. It will only make it worse. Think about it this way. If you were Caleb, you made the REF, got an amazing amount of members, and trained them up. You were the most lethal force on roblox. Year or 2 later, almost every one of them has left, they are making groups to fight you because of what you did to REF, but what we still don’t realize is that Caleb has only ever helped the REF. Everything he has done has helped the REF. Not in everyone eye’s, but in REF’s eye’s. The massive rank change; helped us rebuild after a time of uncertainty. The change from MM to future; keep the clan new, fresh and active; not letting us all slip away from boredom. The change from Future to Starwars; another act to keep the clan active, it brought something new. It gave people a chance to be a kid and not a soldier. We can’t blame Caleb for anything. He is the one that made REF, he is the old who let us do what we wanted, he is the one that give us the best time of our lives, and he is the one who will lead us to victory in the end.
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| 19 Aug 2011 08:36 PM |
Make this simple:
it went to "Hoorah!" too
"Eat lazer clankers!"
I prefer eat lazer clankers <_< |
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| 19 Aug 2011 08:40 PM |
| Ahh but how do you know clankers like to eat lazer? |
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Calv30
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shortwave
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| 19 Aug 2011 08:43 PM |
Hey I completely agree with all this... Although I never felt accomplished in REF as Caleb never noticed me (Even though I was one of the most active members in the whole clan) He promoted me to officer then completely forgot about me... After about 2 years of being loyal to REF and only having the rank of First Sgt to show for it I decided to start looking for other clans. And I was amazed at what was out there... And since many of the Ex-REF members started or joined other clans I was accepted as they all knew me. Also they knew that I did not just go around asking for promotions and even when the leader was there I was focused on the objective. Defending the base.
So for my loyal combat in REF I was respected and liked across a large chunk of the Clan world... But slowly my reputation diminished as I didn't stay in great clans. Nowa days I am ignored and uncared for in the clan world. I recently rejoined REF as the recent reforming that z5151 has done since he is now incharge has made the clan back to what it was in it's glory days. I hope to see it expand to become a great clan once again and maybe then I can gain back the trust I had achieved in those years at REF.
I hope I never forget the time I joined REF. I was in the X-101st and defending the REC center. Then Caleb who I thought was still the co-leader of it came in and I quickly realized he had betrayed us... Rather than fighting back and calling him a traitor I let him in. I died by his hand there and he never thanked me for letting him right in the base. But later that day I was in REF. I quickly became noticed by highranks for my loyalty to not REF but Caleb... That is when I gained the trust of TaaRt. The greatest friend I ever had on ROBLOX. |
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NatFan9
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| 19 Aug 2011 08:49 PM |
| I was gonna read it, but then I realized how long it is. =\ |
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| 19 Aug 2011 08:50 PM |
| The thing that is confusing to me is that how did Caleb find my from so fast…..he is either looking at my profile (not likely), looking through the form (likely) or searching the word “REF” up under forms (never)..... |
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| 19 Aug 2011 09:03 PM |
| Man, i'm soo mad at caleb right now |
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legobob
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| 19 Aug 2011 09:55 PM |
| Caleb thinks that because you leave REF, you are instantly a traitor. Not true. He betrayed the loyal REF in a way, by changing REF into RGRM. He, in some ways, made us leave his group. When you have a specific clan genre, keep it that way. Most of the members in your group are in it because they liked the genre. |
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| 19 Aug 2011 10:03 PM |
| In a way that is true and in a way it isn't. I think that Caleb believes that if you leave and then join someone who he doesn't like, you are considered a traitor. |
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Blaze20
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| 19 Aug 2011 10:09 PM |
| I do not get why you people are mad. It's Caleb's group, he can do whatever he wants with it. Freewill people, freewill. |
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And19
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| 20 Aug 2011 01:44 AM |
Dude, we don't hold a grudge against Caleb, Caleb does himself, I mean this change was undeniable to him, and when some of his more loyal members leave, he calls them a traitor, and that's where the hating starts.
Hmm anyone remember xREFx? Well he went to 'RGR Coruscant' and was saying Hi to Caleb, xREFx as a good REF Vet said that Caleb was a comrade to him, but Caleb said the following:
"m/all rgrm shoot Ref Vets group on sight, they are a terorrist group".
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And19
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| 20 Aug 2011 01:46 AM |
| Luit is right, z5 can't do nothing to change REF. |
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| 20 Aug 2011 04:52 PM |
For me I am just getting sick and tired of hearing all these things being said about Caleb, when I already know that it won’t help. I mean we flame and flame, in public and in private, but it isn't helping anyone. What do we expect to gain from telling someone they destroyed a clan? Are we doing it to make them feel bad? Are we doing it so we can feel justified?
I feel that we are doing it because we have nothing better to do. We were all trained REF commandos and all we knew was REF; we only knew how to be a REF solider. So now that times have changed we are going off instinct, and going back to REF, only this time we are flaming to try and get it back the way we want it to be. |
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X101STCIA
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| 20 Aug 2011 06:28 PM |
| People need to get over caleb leaving to create RGRM. If your mad over him doing what he wants to do, your just holding him back for your own gain. |
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| 23 Aug 2011 03:26 AM |
| x101. he ruined REF in the process. |
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| 23 Aug 2011 03:27 AM |
| Actually Ive been attacking RGRM. |
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| 23 Aug 2011 03:28 AM |
| Was it Caleb's clan? Was it when so many others put so much into it? Did he not just dump us all? |
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z5151
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| 23 Aug 2011 03:35 AM |
| see, all I know is soldier and war. |
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Calv30
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| 23 Aug 2011 11:01 AM |
BTB, Back to Black, Back to Blaze. |
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| 27 Aug 2011 10:54 PM |
TBH, I dont care about Caleb or any of you, I'm moving on.
That's all we can do. |
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| 28 Aug 2011 10:37 PM |
| I remember 09', great times. Made my closet friends in REF and I still talk to them even if they are in an enemy clan. But I didn't leave REF. I was kicked from the clan and I don't even know why yet. |
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