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Re: Col Gaddafi fires scud missile at rebel territory as Nato braces itself for final violent showdown

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libyaitalia is not online. libyaitalia
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15 Aug 2011 04:10 PM
The rebels were attempting to identify the trajectory of the missile which was fired from Col Gaddafi's stronghold of Sirte even as his envoys headed for new talks with the opposition and a United Nations special envoy in Tunisia.

Despite rumours that he is preparing to flee, the opposition fear Col Gaddafi is preparing a desperate last stand in Tripoli and towns still loyal to him in the face of recent rebel advances on two fronts which has cut off his crucial supply routes.

In the early hours of Monday morning, the defiant Libyan leader addressed his people, calling on them to take up arms and "defend their fatherland" and predicting a swift end for "the rats" and the "coloniser" - the rebels and Nato.

But in a further sign of his weakening position, his deputy interior minister, said to be a long-time devoted loyalist, then apparently defected. Nasser al-Mabrouk Abdullah arrived in the Egyptian capital Cairo with nine members of his family claiming he was taking a holiday.

The launch of the ballistic Scud missile, which has a range of more than 200 miles, was detected by a US Aegis destroyer in the Mediterranean on Sunday, officials told The Daily Telegraph.

The regime is thought to possess more than 100 of the Scud B variant missiles. It agreed to destroy them in a deal to end sanctions a decade ago, but rows over their replacement mean the systems remain intact.
Although military planners believe that the majority of the missiles were taken out in recent air strikes, several mobile brigades are thought still to exist.
The missile fired may have been targeting rebel troop formations around Ajdabiyah, a key junction town seized from the regime earlier this year and home to the advance military headquarters of the rebels. It is believed the missile landed in the desert.
"That it didn't hit anything or kill anyone is not the point. It's a weapon of mass destruction that Col Gaddafi is willing to train on his own people," said one Western official.


Sirte, which was Col Gaddafi's birthplace and lies between Misurata and the rebels' eastern front line in Brega, is a potential site for a last stand if Tripoli comes under attack. While consolidating their hold on most residential parts of Brega, the rebels are also now just 30 miles from Tripoli to the west, having taken part of the town of Zawiyah, and 50 miles to the south, after claiming to have taken the garrison town of Gharyan.

From Sirte, the regime could still move Scuds through the desert to target the main rebel strongholds such as Misurata and Zintan. Col Gaddafi has a history of using Scud missiles to lash back at attacks.

The missiles were fired at the southern Italian island of Lampedusa after the 1986 bombing of Tripoli by President Ronald Reagan.

Western officials pointed to the seizure by rebels of much of Zawiyah at the weekend and the apparent defection of Nasser al-Mabrouk Abdullah as a sign of Col Gaddafi's weakening position.
Mr Abdullah was appointed a minister in June, part of a reshuffle following earlier defections.
He had been director of intelligence and was interior minister until 2006, when the shooting dead of 11 Islamist protesters outside the Italian embassy was deemed "disproportionate use of force" even for Libya and he was sacked.
Nevertheless, he remained among the most hardline loyalists of the Gaddafi apparatus.
Meanwhile, Libyan loyalists and rebels met yesterday as efforts to negotiate an end to the conflict intensified.

They were joined by a UN envoy, Abdul Elah al-Khatib, who arrived in Tunis last night and said he would hold talks with Libyan representatives over the coming days. Libyan government and opposition representatives have reportedly been meeting in a Tunisian hotel, but a regime spokesman continued to rule out any negotiated departure for the Libyan leader.

Col Gaddafi himself gave a live broadcast in the early hours of yesterday morning by telephone, defiantly predicting victory over the "rats".
"The Libyan people will remain and the revolution will remain," he shouted.
"Be prepared, go forth, get your weapons, to liberate Libya inch by inch from the traitors and from NATO."

His troops continued to put up resistance in Zawiyah after the attack that dislodged them from the south of the town, including the main road from Tripoli to the western border with Tunisia, on Saturday. Rebels claimed to have control of 80 per cent of the city of 300,000 people, but admitted that government snipers were still inflicting serious casualties.

Doctors in the rebel garrison town of Zintan said that they had treated dozens of men injured in the fighting. Fourteen men were killed on Sunday alone.

"We are treating many wounded in the battle, they have gunshot wounds from snipers mainly," said a urologist who had flown in from Qatar to treat casualties.
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isherloxi is not online. isherloxi
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15 Aug 2011 04:29 PM
I tried finding a youtube video of the scud.Only found nato airstrikes.

watch(REMOVE)?v=(REMOVE)USNaJhtGseI

Theres some Anti libyan rebel guys you should go own libya.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 05:17 PM
Uh...There are legitimate arguments on the anti-Libyan rebel side. Do not think all anti-Libyan rebels are evil.

That and the fact most of the information we have on advances in Libya are sketchy reports from Libyan rebels, who are using propaganda just like Gaddaffi is. My thought are that they have not made the advances they claim they have made, just because of the range of these missile from Sirta to said area is a bit outside of the range meaning their must be some sort of pocket outside the area of Sirte. However, I feel at this rate, we will be stuck in a war still January as Gaddaffi has kept most of his trooop formation in MP and anti-Partisan duty inside Tripoli. I bet it will be a siege like Sarjevo or Moscow.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 05:24 PM
January through March is how long I am gonna place a count on this conflict. I'd say their will be massive battle pulses outside the city, with the rebels being pushed back because of the death ground theory and the lack of roads in and out of tripoli, which will mean the rebels will have to rely on technicals, which usually don't fare to well to heavy infantry. I wish NATO or the rebels could give us the order of battle for Gaddaffi and rebels forces.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 05:26 PM
Also, the pockets that the rebels control are very...um....thin. Gaddaffi is still attack the pocket of Msallata
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 05:28 PM
AND might I add that NATO forces are slowly withdrawling from action. Italian and french warships left a few days ago, and they won't be back for several months. Norway also pulled out, and its F16s carried out 10 percent of all airstrikes.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 05:41 PM
And...
Abdul Fatah Younis the commander and chief of the libyan rebels was arrested by the NTC and assinated...You know what it reminds me of? The Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War.
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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15 Aug 2011 06:12 PM
Remember guys, the French or american revolutions took about a decade.

The fact we have this nearly over in a bit over 3 months is great.
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Epicwinmatt is not online. Epicwinmatt
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15 Aug 2011 06:13 PM
So, he ordered the scud attack, or he personally launched it?

Anyway, I like final showdowns.

Maybe it is a boss battle?
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 07:37 PM
Guys. Gaddaffi is still swinging. Yes they are close to tripoli, but many times the US military got close to Boston, but got sent with their tails behind their legs.

NATO is pulling back, the rebels are without an experienced commander and chief (However, there are rumors that Khalifa Belqasim Haftar [He served in the Chad and Libyan 'Technical Truck War'] however the NTC denies this) and Gaddaffi still controls central Libya, which allows him to bring in troops if need by from Chad and Niger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tripolitanian_Front.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_of_Sirt_Front.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Libyan_Uprising.svg


Thats a lot of land still to go, and Gaddaffi has kept a great deal of soldiers in reserve.
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Angstrom93 is not online. Angstrom93
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15 Aug 2011 07:39 PM
And the Americans still own the Shores of Tripoli, so there goes that.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 07:42 PM
Not for long.

If the Super Commitee wants to cut military spending, the first mission to go would be in Libya.
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Angstrom93 is not online. Angstrom93
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15 Aug 2011 07:43 PM
>didn't get my reference
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 07:44 PM
>Shoulda said marines
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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15 Aug 2011 07:46 PM
Rest of Nato and some of the UN is there.

It may be mostly USa but what would be left would still be stronger then gaddafi's navy
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Angstrom93 is not online. Angstrom93
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15 Aug 2011 07:47 PM
FROM THE HALLS OF MONTEZUMA
TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI
WE WILL FIGHT OUR COUNTRY'S BATTLES
IN THE AIR, ON LAND, AND SEA
FIRST TO FIGHT FOR RIGHT AND FREEDOM
AND TO KEEP OUR HONOR CLEAN
WE ARE PROUD TO CLAIM THE TITLE......................


OF UNITED STATES MARINE
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Angstrom93 is not online. Angstrom93
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15 Aug 2011 07:48 PM
>didn't get reference
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Carbonwinglabs is not online. Carbonwinglabs
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15 Aug 2011 07:50 PM
so this is not the first time sweden italy and USa have attacked tripoli
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isherloxi is not online. isherloxi
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15 Aug 2011 08:29 PM
Next scud missile will start hitting Nato ships.
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 08:34 PM
^dumbest. post. ever.
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Angstrom93 is not online. Angstrom93
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15 Aug 2011 08:37 PM
Twigs why have there been so many worst posts lately?
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twigs182 is not online. twigs182
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15 Aug 2011 08:38 PM
idk.

i also dont know why that one dude called the SCUDS WMDs like the report said. THE DAMMED ANA USES SCUDS FOR CHRIST SAKE!
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Person299 is not online. Person299
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15 Aug 2011 11:08 PM
Me thinks we need more media coverage of this war, it's pretty interesting stuff...
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Asassin37 is not online. Asassin37
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15 Aug 2011 11:13 PM
War without media coverage: 2 weeks.

War with media coverage: 17 years.
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libyaitalia is not online. libyaitalia
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16 Aug 2011 10:18 AM
Guys. Gaddaffi is still swinging.
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Yeah he is, but not for long, hopefully.



Yes they are close to tripoli, but many times the US military got close to Boston, but got sent with their tails behind their legs.
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LOL

dont compare the Libyan war with some two hundred ye.a.rs o.ld wars, everything is different now. Did they use Toyotas with AAs on the back?





NATO is pulling back,
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UK said it could continue its operations even until christmas if needed.


the rebels are without an experienced commander and chief (However, there are rumors that Khalifa Belqasim Haftar [He served in the Chad and Libyan 'Technical Truck War'] however the NTC denies this)
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Yes, Younis died (rip), but its not huge problem in the field.



and Gaddaffi still controls central Libya,
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Do you know what is central libya? Central libya is a city called Sabha, with the surrounding area, and they have combined population of under 200 000. Sabha has 3 main roads going out from it. One to Sirte, one to Tripoli (via Gheryan) and one to Ghat (south-western road), but used mostly for the oil operations from city to city. Sabha had clashes with the rebels

"Major protests began on Friday in the Mansheya district (of Sabha) ... with young people acclaiming the revolution of February 17, raising the flag of independence and demanding Gathafi's departure," the statement said.

"Gathafi loyalists, some in plain clothes, opened fire with live ammunition and two protesters were hit. They were taken to hospital where they were detained by Gathafi's men," it added."


And if Tripoli falls, then this will fall, because its not a big city, nor can be his stronghold anymore then. And oh, everything is now cut completely from the capital. East, Zliten and Misrata, West Zawyiah, Surman, Sabratah etc.., South Gheryan, and north Sea.

and up NATO







which allows him to bring in troops if need by from Chad and Niger.
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He used that already, but the Tabou and Tuareg tribes are with the rebels, and e.g. they have taken one of the Chadian borders. When tripoli falls, Sabha falls,





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tripolitanian_Front.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_of_Sirt_Front.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Libyan_Uprising.svg


Thats a lot of land still to go, and Gaddaffi has kept a great deal of soldiers in reserve.
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It looks much, but 90% of those green areas are just plain desert, or small villages. It doesn't make sense if you want the rebels go through the hot desert just to make the color of wikipedia's map red.

Controlling the cities is the most important part. Remember, this is not Europe, and controlling vast empty land areas is useless.

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