cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 12:45 AM |
First of all I'd like to clear something out of the way: I am 100% sure that I have seen, and posted on, a thread of this nature before. I just can't remember who it was from. So who ever had the idea, thank you. I simply wished to improve upon the idea it self based off the negative criticism your thread had gotten.
Now then, to begin. The basics: The Intellegent Subjects forum would be just that. You see, every other forum here has a particular subject at hand that could not accommodate such topics. The closest to intelligent subjects I've gotten were in two places: S&I, and the scriptures forum. However, on S&I that requires me to derail the thread from the topic at hand, which is considered spam. And in the Scripters forum, the same thing holds true if I want to talk about anything other than programing. So that leaves me with this: Create an entirely new topic board devoted to anything intelligent, be it quantum mechanics or discussing the blood and guts of how to make a top-of-the-line computer for cheap.
Now, this, undoubtable, leave you with a question: "Aren't you overlooking OT? After all, this fits in that category."
Well, now your right about it matching the category, but it hardly fits in. I had a friend who used to be highly active. He then would notify me of new, intelligent threads in OT. However, upon arriving, many of the first posts were people saying "We don't care!" or "Not this again!!". Recently, I had gone back, to my surprise there was a thread about time travel. But, as it turns out, nothing had changed. An ungodly mass of trolls swamped the thread before it took off, apparently they were more interested in standing an SD card on it's side than they were of this subject.
So that's where this leaves me. I wish to separate the swamped intelligence from the N'er do wells. Now OT can live in peace without boring intellectuals crowding up their forum, and yet the intellectuals would still be free to post what they want, and get legitimate replies.
Now, that's not to say there won't be people who will go out of their way to wreak havoc on this new ecosystem, that happens if every forum. However, it would help get rid of the clutter, and create two much more stable communities from one, slightly less than stable one. |
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CjGame
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adamjass
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| 06 Aug 2011 01:09 AM |
| I support, Good idea. Overall this was a great suggestion, But there were a few confusing parts in your post. Thanks for the fantastic idea. I am pleased to see people with great ideas. |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 01:14 AM |
I will not make a TL;DR section because it would require me to cut out a lot of my explanations, which would get people to flame parts of this I've already covered and patched up.
The thread isn't long. It only took me about a minute to read it over. T also isn't long considering I've posted threads in excess of nine paragraphs before.
I would also like to include TL;DR as a reason for this new forum. Intelligent discussions require lots of space to type. We just don't want (or have the time) to deal with people who post TL;DR in a non-trolling way. If you don't want to read massive word walls, then simply don't visit the forum. |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 10:57 AM |
| Why is this needed? I so NO point. |
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deltav
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| 06 Aug 2011 10:57 AM |
| It might need a different name or some protection. The name 'Intelligent Subjects Forum' sounds like a very good way to attract trolls unintentionally.... |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 11:08 AM |
"The name 'Intelligent Subjects Forum' sounds like a very good way to attract trolls unintentionally" -- I don't get how that would work? D: |
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Cobalt59
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| 06 Aug 2011 11:36 AM |
| It would just be another bridge for trolls to hide under... |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 11:39 AM |
"It would just be another bridge for trolls to hide under" -- Every forum on Earth is just another bridge, so I fail to see your point. As I said in my thread, this would stop other people from unintentionally trolling (IE TL;DR), and stop from these sorts of threads being lost in time from being drowned by pointless other threads in OT. |
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| 06 Aug 2011 12:02 PM |
"It would just be another bridge for trolls to hide under" -- Every forum on Earth is just another bridge, so I fail to see your point. As I said in my thread, this would stop other people from unintentionally trolling (IE TL;DR), and stop from these sorts of threads being lost in time from being drowned by pointless other threads in OT. -- In the intellegent subject forum this might be a troll topic- Subject: Spelling Wrong Message: It shuld no be bannble cuz i cant spll. |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 12:19 PM |
"In the intellegent subject forum this might be a troll topic- Subject: Spelling Wrong Message: It shuld no be bannble cuz i cant spll." -- In S&I, this might be a troll topic- Subject: BAN NBCERZ Message: TEY N0BZ L01O1!!
Seriously, I don't see the point of something NOT happening because of trolls. They are an unfortunate part of the Internet. Just live with them, and ignore them. |
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cobalt10
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00smexy65
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| 06 Aug 2011 02:17 PM |
what does (TL;DR) mean?
also support |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 02:22 PM |
"what does (TL;DR) mean?" -- TL;DR means "Too long; Didn't read" or "Tool long; Don't read". |
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| 06 Aug 2011 02:26 PM |
The frank existence of trolls devalues the central point of the idea, you want a place where the few intelligent users on the site can converge and have a conversation that you can enjoy without the intrusion of a troll. If you didn't care about trolls, then you wouldn't even have bothered creating this thread, you would of just gone to OT.
Moreover, the trolls would find an alternate OT created for the sole purpose of scripters, people with common sense, intelligent people, and others conversing with a topic that doesn't fit other forums more appealing than the other forums they already invade.
It's like making a new castle away from your enemies where you can live in peace, but then telling them where it is, and leaving the castle without walls and soldiers. If you don't have anyone or anything to protect the forum from the trolls, it's pointless to have it.
If you can find a proper security system that is not too abusable or one-sided, then I'm willing to support this. But until then, and to avoid a long, multipage argument, my answer will remain the same, no matter what counterattack you dream up. |
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cobalt10
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| 06 Aug 2011 02:44 PM |
"If you didn't care about trolls, then you wouldn't even have bothered creating this thread, you would of just gone to OT." -- There are two trolls, as I see it. The first kind stick to their home world and eat the threads there, but mainly going about their own business, but usually never stopping to think about who they anger. The second kind invade every and any world they can reach in an attempt to consciously and purposefully wreak havoc on the threads there.
Now, the latter is inevitable. You can never stop these beasts no matter how hard you try. However, my suggestion solves the former. The people in OT who don't care about anything but standing an SD Micro on it's side would drown out the intelligent threads that I wish to partake in on ROBLOX. This is a solution to prevent that small-scale trolling.
Now, if you want a security system that will prevent the latter, then I will give you one. It's not a newfangled idea, nor some harebrained scheme. It's simple, and to the point. It's called a report button. And the beauty of it is that it already exists. You see, people on ROBLOX with the competency to build a high-powered computer for cheap, or understand Thermodynamics won't be the same children who feed the trolls. Intelligent people are intelligent. They will ignore the trolls, report them, and be on their way, This is the most effective way of minimizing troll efforts. Simply starving them.
And, in fact, in some places trolling is near impossible. A vast majority of topics you can talk about here are theoretical. Which means conventional trolling could actually feed to thread, instead of the troll. IE:
*Thread starts about LHC* *Troll enters* "LOL WUT BOUT A BLACK WHOLE APPEARS AND KILLZ US AL!!!" "Well, the LHC creates black holes so small, they evaporate in fractions of a second. Thus no damage can be done" *COUNTER-TROLLED!!*
Therefore, the only sort of trolling that can be done on this sort of topic is large-scale spamming, since anything else stimulates the discussion. But that brings me back to the report button. We simply ignore them, report them, and wait for the ban. This thus discourages trolling even further.
Like I said. The latter form of the troll can never be destroyed. But it can be minimized. And with a large mass of highly-competent people conversing, with the ability to get someone banned, trolling will be put under control instead of fed by children.
If you have any concerns about this solution, please alert me. I will clarify. |
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| 06 Aug 2011 02:59 PM |
@cobalt We're getting there.
The first type of trolls have no business there, but I have a hunch that they'll camp at OT whether it be for intelligent people or people like them...
Yet, the problem is not with the troll that stays, but with the one that goes out.
I see you've already done some work on them. The report button. However, this is mere bows and arrows against sturdy stainless steel armor. The problem is, as intelligent of some may be, they lack the knowledge to wield the report button, and instead insist on trolling the troll. I've seen many who know how to deal with a troll, but not so many that trolls would die of starvation. So, they would exist in the forum, disturbing all, but only existing on those who can't deal with them. Because even saying, "don't feed the troll, guys," is feeding the troll. Your only hope is to report them, silently hope that your friends can hold out against them, and move away.
So, my argument against the report button - it is not efficient enough to counter the trolls. The problem with many intelligent people is they rather like to boast their intelligence, which is their weakness and a troll's strength. The report button solves the problem halfway, and I'll leave you thinking there.
But, through writing this I just realized another problem. And this one does not relate to trolls at all. If you saw an OT forum for "intelligent discussions," and you stopped and thought to yourself for a moment, "Am I intelligent?" what do you think you would tell yourself? Yes would be the answer for almost everyone, unless they're modest, which is rare in unintelligent people. So you would have hundreds of people considering themself intelligent when they can't wield a vocabulary of words longer than six letters.
Even if they are modest they don't know exactly what they mean by "intelligent." You can be intelligent in math, humor, computering, vocabulary, all of that, but unless it is made clear those users will not avoid that forum. You want intelligent people, what you may get is a version of OT, but not in the form of the troll.
So, my summary -
Troll security is not efficient enough to make the table. Improve it, or this idea is worthless.
Almost everyone calls themself intelligent in some area. That's a problem if you want only "intelligent" people, exactly what do you mean by "intelligent?" Take this question as rhetorical, please. You need to display to ROBLOX what sort of intelligent people you want without insulting them or being too unclear.
I hope I'm not being too harsh, but this is how you polish an idea. It's not good till it's been argued over. |
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| 06 Aug 2011 03:03 PM |
| Your claim is acknowledged. However I must go AFK at this moment. I'll return with my rebut later. |
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| 06 Aug 2011 03:06 PM |
It might be best to move this into a PM conversation, and then repost this once we have the problem fixed, if we ever do. People don't like people like us posting huge wordwalls all over a thread, and I don't want our long discussion to be too publicly advertised either.
By the way, I'm going to bed soon. So, I might get in a couple more messages, but after that I'm continuing this in the morning. |
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| 06 Aug 2011 03:14 PM |
@watevs
A simple "No support, and here's why" would of done. |
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