Cenort
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:20 AM |
tll;dr Version: Noble Blade declared victory on us because our spawns were slightly closer to the base than theirs were, even though a few days before their base was 5x more unfair and unbalanced because of a biased "No VIP raiding" rule.
A few days ago, we (Sharp Shooters) began raiding Noble Blade, primarily because of their reputation as admin abusers. We didn't "win", but we reaped in plenty of KOs and got in some sword fighting practice.
After a couple of raids, Noble Blade put us on their enemy list, which meant we wouldn't be banned as often by admins enforcing the "You have to be in a group with over 1000 members in order to raid" rule. We stepped up our attacks but made little headway, because of the "No VIP Raiding rule"
As far as I can tell, this rule originated because jlcompton89 didn't want raiders to have the same advantages as VIP members. He gave VIP owners these advantages: A run tool, a jump tool, 3 weapons that you can normally only get from the armory. The run tool and jump tool proved an insanely powerful combination, because you can use them to leap onto the cliffs surrounding the base and run to the base in one third of the time it normally takes. This lets you get to the flag in about 20 seconds (that's how long an NB said it took, I'm not making this number up), whereas raiders were forced to walk the full distance, which could take several minutes.
Anyways, each time we would try to raid and capture the flag we would be thwarted by VIP-wielding Noble Blade members. It was relatively easy to get to the base - fight your way past the Noble Blade spawnkillers, cross the bridge, and enter the base. However, once you got to the flag, Noble Blade VIP would come running in at full speed and start attacking you. It was relatively easy to kill 2 or 3 of them in a row, but they use their VIP jump to get onto the cliff and can attack you again and again and again, faster than you can get reinforcements. I calculated that 1 raider would have to kill each VIP in the server 6 times for every time he died in order to even have a chance of holding the flag.
This provided Noble Blade with a huge advantage in their server. Noble Blade's main justification for it consisted of the following: They spawned at the same place as raiders. They believed that this made their base somehow fair, and use it to prove that their base is more fair than any other base on ROBLOX, even though it encourages spawnkilling.
Their other justification is Sky Clan of ROBLOX. They use SCR's unfair bases as justification for making their bases unfair. Whenever I would say anything about an unfairness I saw in Noble Blade's base, they would immediately point out how unfair their enemy, SCR, is. This isn't a good way to judge how fair your base is, and I was surprised how many high ranks used it.
I asked DOZENS of Noble Blade over the course of our raids whether or not they thought the "NO VIP RAIDING" rule was unfair. Every last one said that they thought it was completely fair. Not a single one said it was unfair. I wasn't sure if Noble Blade was biased or not, but this certainly supported the idea. No truly objective person could say that the "no VIP raiding" policy was fair for raiders.
2 or 3 days ago, jlcompton89 finally decided to allow raiders to VIP raid (I suspect he realized how many robux more he could be making). He removed the jump tool and told his admins to stop banning people for VIP raiding.
This update made the game a whole lot fairer, as raiders could finally use the run tool that NB had been using for weeks. It didn't quite balance the game, because Noble Blade still had gear superiority, but it did make victory possible again.
After this update Noble Blade began a series of attacks against us at Base Tenku. They almost never raided when several Sharp Shooters were there - they raided empty servers. Several times I checked my base just to see 5 or 6 Noble Blade raiding against 1 lone Sharp Shooter.
Several raids like this happened, but as soon as I joined the server backup started arriving and soon the battle was more balanced. They would usually be in the base, waiting for the 30 minutes to pass for a victory, so we would stack in via the ventilation shaft and quickly overwhelm their defenses. They never held on to the server for long when we had 3 or more Sharp Shooters in it.
Even when we were outnumbered 5 to 12, our soldiers fought hard and well. Noble Blade had a tendency to leave soon after we started defending, so the tide of the battle turned quickly.
As far as I can tell, we won 2-3 major battles against 5+ Noble Blade, usually when we were outnumbered. A number of smaller servers occured, and we secured most of those as well. They might have beaten us once or twice, but I doubt it until I see some proof.
After these raids failed for Noble Blade, several times they group shouted that they had won. I will admit, I got VERY angry when I saw this. I hate it when people claim false victories - it's lying, plain and simple.
Anyways, yesterday I was somewhat surprised to see that jlcompton group shouted that they, Noble Blade, had beaten us because our base was unfair. He mentioned that we spawned closer to the base, but also claimed that our group only ID cards gave us an advantage. That's not true at all. They open up several doors, one of them leads to the picture room (not useful unless you want to take pictures). We don't have any convenient way into the base other than the way raiders have to use - stacking.
The main reason this false victory disgusted me was because only a few days earlier their base had been 100% unfair, and they hadn't admitted to it. Now they suddenly made it fair and claimed that our slightly unfair base gave them an automatic win. Anyone who raided Noble Blade during the No VIP raiding rule can testify that it was entirely unfair. It seems that Noble Blade is hypocritical when it comes to unfairness - they declare victory over a group for being a tiny bit unfair when a few days before their base had been 5x more unfair.
I quickly moved our spawns to balance the game, and to make it fair for US, I added minigun and armor givers by our spawn. I had given raiders miniguns and armor crates by their spawns, but didn't for SS in order to even out the battle a little bit - SS had to go inside the base in order to retrieve them.
Noble Blade's tactic of "We win because your base is slightly unfair" is disgusting. They know perfectly well they didn't beat us, and they are only deceiving themselves. Now our base is as fair as their's - so they can come raid us anytime. We are waiting. (We can't raid Bellator because they banned our entire group) |
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droid329
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:21 AM |
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Cenort
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Darxia
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:31 AM |
Seems that they may be using that excuse too much.
Sorry if they treated you unfairly :( |
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Cenort
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:35 AM |
I don't mind if they treat us unfairly, but they claimed a false victory. No honor, I guess.
And now we can't even raid Fort Bellator, since they banned us. |
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Darxia
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:35 AM |
| Bump of this took time to write |
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nooby615
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| 07 Jul 2011 10:37 AM |
| They are just afraid of their reputaton if they lose to a clan smaller than them. |
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Rsk548
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| 07 Jul 2011 11:36 AM |
| Cen they just have no honor. |
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| 07 Jul 2011 12:12 PM |
| Hmmm i have been a High Rank in 1MD. We had a war with NB they said they won just because we had AI robots and they didnt -_-. We gave them guns (Good ones) They had a flag system to spawn them in our bases if taken. Also there was no admin at all. JLcompton89 is hypolcrite he bans people and he annoyingly pulled out of the 1MD war. As a 1MD HR i know what happens to many of my members and my fallow HR mates. Cabooseverb was enterly mad. He's "Nooble Alliance" was all on his favor just because 1MD was smaller. All that is true is that NB is a group that needs major reforming and better moderation. So it can finnaly have some honor and not turn it self like Fear. |
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| 08 Jul 2011 12:05 AM |
| well, I have two words for NB: You Suck |
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Cenort
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| 08 Jul 2011 08:22 AM |
Here's what jlcompton89 shouted:
We have defeated Sharp Shooters reason why is because there fort is unfair thay spawn closer to there fort and have member only id doors then thay flame us saying are base is unfair because we allow melee gear. FOR THE BLADE!
They couldn't beat us in a single fair battle so they are resorting to calling us unfair. |
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Tyrotrus
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| 08 Jul 2011 08:31 AM |
| The base would be as fair as NBs when raiders get RP guns and we get rocket launchers. Same with Arcadian. |
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N0torious
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| 08 Jul 2011 08:33 AM |
Had an intelligent post for this
but nob3l blaid r noobs |
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Tyrotrus
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| 08 Jul 2011 08:34 AM |
| Plus, jlcomptons grammar and spelling stink. |
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DanQX
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| 08 Jul 2011 09:17 AM |
| I remember you base Cenort. =D |
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Cenort
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| 08 Jul 2011 09:38 AM |
| Yeah, I don't think he has any idea of what honor is. |
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google
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| 08 Jul 2011 09:56 AM |
You should really stop complaining. Clan base's are up to the creator of the base, or the leader of the clan, as well as any clan rules. Although I am an enemy of NB, I don't complain about there base's, or any of there rules.
I remember when clan warfare had basically no real rules, and that nobody would complain as much as you do. |
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| 08 Jul 2011 10:24 AM |
@google
So your telling me you wouldn't care if they spawnkilled you,
Or used VIP and you barely could get in a base? -----
Wow, NB is really sad. |
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| 08 Jul 2011 10:56 AM |
| Pretty mucha are like wtf men have some honor and take off VIP or make the spawn in a different place. |
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