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Vacanti is not online. Vacanti
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
Total Posts: 550
08 May 2011 11:52 PM
How do you even "Earn" a rank? it's not possible. Those clans are SO un-organized. All they do is just give the leaders a huge amount of tickets for visits.
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ReconXIV is not online. ReconXIV
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08 May 2011 11:55 PM
RAT and UCR are quite organized.
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Vacanti is not online. Vacanti
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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08 May 2011 11:57 PM
Man;that gave me a big laugh.
They are extremely un-organized. They can't even promote people for "skill" for the fact how are you going to tell who did what and who said what with 50,000 other people saying they did the same? It's just who you know with that.
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bartman22 is not online. bartman22
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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08 May 2011 11:58 PM
I hate Vak but i'm sorry to say they are VERy organized.
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Skwerl is not online. Skwerl
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08 May 2011 11:59 PM
Activity and skill is usually all it takes to be midranked, HRs usually have connections/have to suck up to an HR/have extreme seniority in the group, but some advance normally.

Honestly, a lot of these groups have such a broken promotion system that you can become midranked by writing essays full of lies. Sadly, mass promotions can't occur without that flaw.
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
Joined: 21 Mar 2010
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09 May 2011 12:00 AM
As far as raids, they raid in a neat way. I don't see how they can promote people with so many people in the group. Its like a maze, you have to look for the people.
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
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09 May 2011 12:00 AM
Overall I do agree those groups are organized.

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ReconXIV is not online. ReconXIV
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09 May 2011 12:02 AM
.....A HR would shout a training.
Members come to the training and show good skills etc.
HR sees this specific person.
He promotes this specific person.

Uhh?
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Skwerl is not online. Skwerl
Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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09 May 2011 12:08 AM
Problem is, if you give too many of those people promotion powers, someone AAs. If you give too few promotion powers, tens of thousands of angry first-rankers never get a chance.

Another way is sending promotion requests directly to officers, but so many people lie in those that it's a broken system, and you shouldn't ask for a promotion in the first place.

The best way of handling this is having lower HRs send reccomendations to upper HRs for lower ranks to advance. That way, most of your information comes from a reputable source, and you can keep in touch with the lowranks without threatening security.
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DiscoHeaven is not online. DiscoHeaven
Joined: 22 Oct 2010
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09 May 2011 12:12 AM
You watch your members, listen to your members, and make, at LEAST, an attempt at trusting your members.

UAF, RAT, and UCR handle this quite easily, though it does cause stress on leaders, seeing as there IS a large amount of members.

I think you've just been ignored in large clans; hence the criticism.

~Moo~
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
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09 May 2011 12:21 AM
I feel bad for the leaders sometimes. Theres always incoming members.
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ReconXIV is not online. ReconXIV
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09 May 2011 12:23 AM
I felt ignored by clan leaders.
That's why I'm a Conscript. ;D
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
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09 May 2011 12:23 AM
This is why I stick to small clans and groups. I wouldn't want a group over 100 members.

~Join the UAS~
[Coolwhacka]
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
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09 May 2011 12:24 AM
*1000 not 100 XD
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ReconXIV is not online. ReconXIV
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09 May 2011 12:25 AM
@Cool, big clans are more rewarding in a sense.
Yes, having promotions might prove a problem. But over thousands and thousands of members you become a HR, that would be a great achievement. :D
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The13thHippie is not online. The13thHippie
Joined: 18 May 2010
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09 May 2011 12:27 AM
Over the one year that F.E.A.R. has been around, members have gotten EXTREMELY spoiled.

When I first joined, you were GRATEFUL to even get ANY rank, let alone a high rank.

Now what do members get?

"Get 50 KOs and get promoted!"

-_-'

Hence why I always say "Get 250 KOs and get promoted to [Rank here]".
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Coolwhacka is not online. Coolwhacka
Joined: 21 Mar 2010
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09 May 2011 12:27 AM
Good point.
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sekretaryuk is not online. sekretaryuk
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
Total Posts: 840
09 May 2011 01:11 AM
They do most promotions on raids, activity and trainings. If you make a screenshot of you getting that certain amount of KO's on a training in RAT then you get promoted. From Guard its more activity and leadership proven.
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