Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 12:57 PM |
With clans in decline and even more-so in the category of traditional clans with proper structure and longevity should people go and join VAC/VAK? A clan that has stood the test of time despite overwhelming odds due to in part being the target clan of powerhouses and refusal to accept defeat.
Although I've heard many negative things about Vaktovia be it lack of innovation (until recently), a stagnant promotional system, corruption, etc. We cannot help but think how is it still standing today in what can be seen in contrast to the past as a dark time for the community. Is it living simply off of its name? Is it terraforming its structure in order to adapt to the changing demands of the playerbase?
I simply do not understand how VAK lives to this day. Frankly the main thing that has kept me from joining all these years is the fact that I've immersed myself in the communities that focused on beating VAK be it VOID, FoA, or CSP I've made my mark in all of them and it just feels wrong joining something that myself and the people I surrounded myself with worked to hand L's. Almost like selling out.
Regardless of my own belief do you think it worthwhile for people to join VAK seeing as there is a plethora of reasons for joining clans to begin with be it for competitive play or just to have fun is it worth it overall or is the C&G playerbase spread to thin to begin with?
I'm doubtful but I'm open to a debate Thanks for the read
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kroxon
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:00 PM |
there's reasons why VAK is still standing
its just other people need to grasp the idea of longetivity of clans.
no offence, but people that join clans to defeat VAKs are not going to do anything, they're just wasting their time (clan-wise) |
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Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:01 PM |
"no offence, but people that join clans to defeat VAKs are not going to do anything, they're just wasting their time (clan-wise)"
If someone finds it fun to beat VAK then I don't think they're wasting their time plus those clans do other things too
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:02 PM |
thats understandable, but where did most of those clans go?
they died. |
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ITFOSnoke
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:02 PM |
@Dominus, that's because people only care about the PVP side of clans. No one cares about structure, order, roleplay, professionalism or any of that anymore. VAK still does, and that's why VAK will continue to live.
VAK's system, appearance, and history combined produces indefinitely loyal people that would only leave if they grow too old/busy to stay.
It's going to take a lot for them to leave. |
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:03 PM |
| Actually snoke, VAK didn't necessary get heavily induced into roleplay until now with the changes we are making. |
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Ghost0ps
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:04 PM |
Only problems with clans like that are they expect full dedication and loyalty, and someone who was loyal to your group at first may be forced to raid/defend against you.
VAC & IAP suck activity out of clans
I like VAK though, can't say the same for surge |
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Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:04 PM |
Dom Ik you were in X101 did it not die? There are a handful of reasons that clan lead to a clans death I don't think that should prevent people from trying to do what they enjoy
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ITFOSnoke
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:05 PM |
Dominus, back in the day they did have some roleplay but obviously not as intended as it is now. If you recall, they used to have rules about RP in their rules.
Something like "Vaktovians do not need to eat, sleep, or drink. They .." |
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:06 PM |
"Dom Ik you were in X101 did it not die? There are a handful of reasons that clan lead to a clans death I don't think that should prevent people from trying to do what they enjoy"
but... they weren't created for defeating VAK?
My argument is that the clans that were created to defeat VAK (CSP, TGI, etc.) all fell after their wars. |
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Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:07 PM |
reasons that CAN* lead to a clans death
rip
Also I don't like SURGE marshal is a weirdo I was only in it because some of my VOID friends were
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ITFOSnoke
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:09 PM |
Marshal is ULTRA ego. But yeah, Dominus is right. If your clan is based around the idea of killing VAK, you're simply going to:
1. Start a hype war with VAK 2. Get a ton of tryhards in the clan 3. Curb-stomp VAK 4. All other 5 alive clans are too afraid to do anything with you 5. Realize that your purely reliant on war clan will never have an opponent and move to a new clan hoping people will war you again |
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:11 PM |
"Dominus, back in the day they did have some roleplay but obviously not as intended as it is now. If you recall, they used to have rules about RP in their rules.
Something like "Vaktovians do not need to eat, sleep, or drink. They ..""
yeah but remember, during those days, VAK was at a stage of elitism and depending on how well you do (especially when getting a certain rank was getting certain KOs), and VAK wasn't really hard into roleplay but that phrase was used. VAK didn't get edgy into roleplay until yeller came. |
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:13 PM |
| I can smell the doritos on his keyboard as he typed this. |
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Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:14 PM |
"but... they weren't created for defeating VAK?
My argument is that the clans that were created to defeat VAK (CSP, TGI, etc.) all fell after their wars."
I know it wasn't created to war VAK I'm just saying you shouldn't let the fear of failure prevent you from trying to do something you enjoy or believe in. Failure is always lurking around the corner its better to try then to do nothing
You could argue that they're setting themselves up for failure sure but wasn't RSFT made for the same reason and Resade is one of the only clans still kicking today
I'm saying its not a death sentence for your clan to be centered around beating VAK at least at the start
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:16 PM |
"I know it wasn't created to war VAK I'm just saying you shouldn't let the fear of failure prevent you from trying to do something you enjoy or believe in. Failure is always lurking around the corner its better to try then to do nothing
You could argue that they're setting themselves up for failure sure but wasn't RSFT made for the same reason and Resade is one of the only clans still kicking today
I'm saying its not a death sentence for your clan to be centered around beating VAK at least at the start"
> of course its not a death sentence for the clan to be centered around beating VAK, but when the clan is all about hype and warring VAK as their only objective in foresight, its bound to fail.
Resade realized that they can be a clan (which they are a great clan, gang gang) after seeing what their potential can be. |
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McFlexo
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:21 PM |
I think most people join VAK because they felt it was the "next level" of their clan experience.
For example, I was in Sleet Clan for a few years when it was at 60k members until I heard about TGI and how it was an undefeated with an outstanding reputation and community- and that it was, just like VAK, an entire level above every clan on the game.
Kind of like this: 1. TGI/VAK 2. SC/UAF/FC 3. EL/SCR/other superclan
That mindset of going to the next level intrigued me, obviously enough to join TGI and now I can say it was the best experience of mine on Roblox.
VAk obviously is the lone top tier clan, because TGI was unfortunately shutdown... |
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Wights
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:26 PM |
McFelxo very relatable thought process same thing when I joined VOID
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so1ois
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:41 PM |
| they join becoz they enjoy being treated as slaves on a website and have nothing better to do with their lives lmfao nerds |
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Arcainek
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:47 PM |
| A distant but threatening leader |
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:49 PM |
If you can't destroy them.
Join them.
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| 29 Oct 2017 01:54 PM |
never really liked the look of vak
i could understand the hype 2012-13 , it's novelty has worn off i'd say |
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