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| 09 Sep 2017 04:55 PM |
I'm not here to hate I'm here to have a discussion so don't lock this thread after your first response please, I don't intend to be inflammatory at any point in this discussion I just want to see where the mods stand on a certain topic.
You described an interpretation of the mission statement to be: "A respectful, friendly place to recruit for and organize groups and group events."
Does that mean you intend to take out the community aspect of this subforum? As you must very well know by now C&G has never been interested in SOLELY posting on here for that, while there is a small minority of the community that do.
I'm not saying that's right. What I am saying however, is that maybe if you intend to delete any thread on C&G not pertaining to CLANS and GUILDS specifically, you're killing the actual community?
C&G is the only place where EVERYONE can communicate [ regardless of outside platforms (even on those we're splintered)]
If you're cutting us out from that aspect of our community, you're right, all we'll have left is to talk about clans and what's going on in them, but in that case you're essentially getting rid of another clubhouse.
The original rules that Slingshot had posted did the clubhouse justice, but were not enforced properly. I understand that its easier to enforce these rules now that anything you see that isn't clans goes straight to the garbage bin, rather than picking and choosing which ones pass and which ones don't, but is it worth it to kill a community?
I propose this : crack down on the rules of inflammatory comments, and the rules of calling out and being deregatory, etc. But why get rid of the threads trying to start discussion? Speak on things that may not be relevant to Clans specifically, but do not harm the progression of our community?
Sorry for the word wall, I'm passionate about this and I want to see where you stand. Thanks Mondo.
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| 09 Sep 2017 04:59 PM |
I can see how I was misleading, and I'd like to clarify here.
We don't want to remove a sense of community between clans and guilds. Respectful, sportsmanlike banter is still permitted and even encouraged.
However, the rules against personal attacks and "calling out" users are broad and will be enforced. When banter crosses over into harassment, insults, accusations, or drama, it will be removed.
Generally I lock threads after giving an official response, but since I understand I may not have been clear, I'll leave this open in case people have any more questions. Additionally, you may feel free to message me or another moderator for more info. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:02 PM |
I think the point he is trying to make is that personal attacks should be moderated 100% there is no arguing that point, but removing the ability to start non-clan focused discussion which this subforum is known for during down time -- because let's be honest, there only so much clan discussion that can take place.
People don't feel comfortable foruming right now because thing's that are not seen as 100% on topic are removed, which is not how this forum has ever been, I understand the goal set here however a lot of our community that primaries this sub forum enjoy being able to talk about non-clan focused discussion, amidst the clan discussion which makes the sub forum so popular -- especially with the closure of off-topic forcing those who primaried that sub forum, many have came here to continue foruming. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:05 PM |
| While the prohibition against off-topic threads is unlikely to be lifted, I can appreciate the idea that there should be transparency on why threads are deleted. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:16 PM |
I appreciate the honesty Mondo.
Can I ask you what your opinion on our community is, considering you're a recent addition to the team?
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:22 PM |
| I have a soft spot for intricate leagues and tightly-knit groups, having participated in a few over the years. Broadly speaking, I think C&G adds quite a lot to the Roblox experience. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:23 PM |
"I think C&G adds quite a lot to the Roblox experience."
yet, the attention has gone away from clans and more on devex and people who are successfully making games |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:24 PM |
thanks mr mondo <3
hardly on, but i make clothes || ghosting since '12 |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:25 PM |
''We don't want to remove a sense of community between clans and guilds. Respectful, sportsmanlike banter is still permitted and even encouraged.''
You already have, a lot of people are angry the new mod, personally I don't believe you've been on C&G before so you have no real knowledge of what its like |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:28 PM |
I hope you can be a champion for us rather than a bane for us Mondo, considering we do need a representative.
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:33 PM |
| i understand that your justification for not allowing callout threads is the report abuse button, but there have been numerous actions by clan members that aren't covered well enough (if at all) by roblox moderation and there are some ###### actions that aren't technically against roblox rules what, then, does the community do about these people? |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:35 PM |
allow off-topic posts that allow day-to-day interactions instead of impededing on it
allow transparency and communicate with us
crap, be the mod we never had. you seem down-to-earth, despite you moderation actions against me for unfair reasons, but thats literally all we ask
we can work with toxicity and whatnot, but don't go against off-topic posts because like tune said, there is only so much we can talk about when nothing is happening the clan world |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:38 PM |
"''We don't want to remove a sense of community between clans and guilds. Respectful, sportsmanlike banter is still permitted and even encouraged.''
You already have, a lot of people are angry the new mod, personally I don't believe you've been on C&G before so you have no real knowledge of what its like"[2]
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:40 PM |
StormingStatic: I would like to say that despite having posted here a few times in the last couple of days, I'm not "appointed" to C&G in any way, nor does it have special prominence in my beat as opposed to the rest of the team's. Questions, concerns, or suggestions could be sent to pretty much anyone in the CET.
Heydude: When they are not breaking forum rules, toxic individuals and groups should be avoided, not engaged.
DividedFallout: The decision to remove off-topic discussion from C&G doesn't ultimately belong to me or even my team. I would suggest that check-in threads related to clans are permitted, and these threads are (as per the subforum rules) permitted more leeway in terms of *ranging* off-topic. That said, there should still be a genuine clan-related structure; there can't be license for just anyone to start an off-topic thread in C&G. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:43 PM |
"Heydude: When they are not breaking forum rules, toxic individuals and groups should be avoided, not engaged."
ok so if these hypothetical groups and individuals are toxic why are they still sanctioned by roblox |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:45 PM |
| You've postulated a specific user that's a.) not breaking rules and is b.) toxic. I'm following your hypothetical. If they are breaking the rules in a way that's detectable and reportable, by all means report them. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:47 PM |
wait, so being toxic isn't breaking a rule, but countering toxicity is?
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:48 PM |
He is punishing both groups, but one of them is for the wrong reasons.
If someone is countering toxicity legitimately and with respect, it shouldn't be moderated upon. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:50 PM |
Heydude, I've amended your post to remove an political comparison. Normally this would be grounds for just deleting the post, but in this case, I wanted to clarify.
From a moderation perspective, it doesn't matter which party instigates toxic behavior. If one individual commits an offense and another individual commits an offense in retaliation, we don't judge those differently.
So if a user creates a problem that we can't detect or punish, and you respond to that user by creating a problem we CAN detect and punish, we're going to do that.
Divided, it's all well to say toxicity can be countered "with respect," but there's a blanket ban on callouts and accusations for a reason. Regardless of the initial tone--to say nothing of whether the accusation is even accurate--the inevitable effect is always poisonous. |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:50 PM |
| the issue is that we as a community cannot ignore abuses of groups that ROBLOX administration has generally failed to care about, except now our ability to self-moderate has been removed |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:50 PM |
I am going to take heydude's example of moderation.
you are moderating a comparion, which even though its of a sensitive topic, proves a valuable and strong comparison which provides a strong argument
you cannot say you allow sportsmanlike arguments then do that |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:51 PM |
| wait, how was what you censored a political comparison? |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:52 PM |
| because it had to do with liberals and conservatives which i guess he has a problem with lol |
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| 09 Sep 2017 05:53 PM |
| by that standard then references to agriculture and nasa should be removed from the forum - they're partisan issues |
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