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| 26 Aug 2017 02:42 PM |
Despite what the title states, the information below will only be directed at selected individuals and functions of the group. Don't get me wrong, for once, unlike every other seemingly-blacklisted person I do actually like Josh and Michael and the majority of the group; however, some things that have been occurring are simply too asinine to deal with and have ruined my work - stuff that I've built up these past few months.
Thunder, I disagree (when it comes to your case) that talking these matters out in private is the best thing to do, considering everything I've brought up conflicts your views and as you adore stating "Commanding Generals can do whatever they want anyway". You have either demoted or kicked every single Special Forces member upon your return for simply going against your ideals and stating their own opinions, masking it as "severe disrespect" when frankly it wasn't.
The biggest mistake of the year was shutting down Special Forces; I cannot explain in words how terrible it is shutting down an elite division compromising of non-recycled rclers who actually stick with one clan instead of leaving after three weeks and moving onto the next clan. When you started typing up the shutdown document, I couldn't care less at that point and signed in as it was everyone above me and next to me against me, the outcome would've remained the same.
However, you were too naive to realise that SF was 50% of CAT's active members and basically the majority of your good members; and by even planning to replace me as the director, when the management was adequate is far beyond comprehension.
Your main reasoning behind this was that SF is too "toxic" and that we "break Discord rules". I wanted to counter you so many times on these points but it would almost definitely lead to a punishment and deleted posts. So, here, out in the public, let's go.
Firstly, there will always be toxic members in every single clan; however, the most toxic one of my SF members reached was to swear at Michael, and that was before you got free-ranked to CG *again*. Free-ranking a person never works and here we have a clear example of that.
However, most ironically, you broke several Discord rules yourself. The "no swearing" rule in the discord is complete stupidity and half of my members were kicked just for that. Despite you ironically swearing in another channel (/gddktx).
Another incident involved you stalking Niyi into her DMs ordering her to deliver messages, as if she were your pet, to a now blacklisted member, Vidicator, regarding his court trial. Your defence for this was that, despite the rules (which you love following so much) stating that nothing said in DMs is punishable, you still demoted her and threatened to remove her for disrespect of conduct. (/gddmji) (/gddn05)
Thunder ironically punishes someone for swearing when he does it himself, and then proceeds to say that "the difference was I apologized for my actions" - this is extremely asinine. By this ideology, you're allowing people to break rules, but as soon as they apologise, it becomes less of an issue? Furthermore, sending evidence of mis-punishment isn't disrespect.
Your main issue is that you essentially demoted most of CAT's active member base for disagreeing with your opinions. In some instances you presented the same amount of toxicity as my SF members and you adored chatting behind their backs, and yet got upset when people spoke behind yours. (/gddoxa)
Almost no demotions occurred before you returned, and people were acting the same way in both time periods, however (ironically again) like a news reporter you, yourself stirred up drama and started demoting for terrible reasons; just because people disagree with your *opinions*, you do not kick them from the discord or exile them from the group.
The most recent example is here: (/gddpw3) and notice the irony of breaking rules again Thunder. Kicking xIronicBear and Deadguy for stating their opinions in public apparently breaks the rules though...
Although, I do think you had a grudge against SF straight from the beginning. You also broke almost every rule in the SF document which was signed by the person above you and yeah, go figure, no punishment for that since you're exempt to such things. It's additionally hilarious how you had no power over subdivisions (CGs had no influence) yet you managed to influence it so much. There are an infinite amount of examples to account for your hypocrisy and stupidity, but gathering that many screenshots and uploading them is effort. You also deleted most of the posts in the screenshots, I wonder why...
I was basically the only high rank who hosted raids to try and improve the new member's skill and welcome them to the clan community, but you didn't even enter the VC or participate in any event - yet you threatened demotion to not just SF but every member if they didn't attend events when online.
I did want to stay with the rest of CAT but if you remove my friends for stupid reasons as outlined above, even if I like the group and am loyal to it, there's no way I'm staying.
I also built a base for CAT, but, even after almost two months no scripting was done on it, so I took it back and it's now mine to work on and improve. You could've used your powers to push development forward or something, but you focused on removing members as opposed to recruiting them. Such stupid ideology. At least Josh tried and helped me and focused on more important things - you're complete foils.
Perhaps you should learn to start to listen to people as opposed to removing them as soon as they speak of their opinion. Some may call you corrupt.
Use your power more wisely in the future; if you've got some intelligence you'll read this and learn from it.
Please also don't call members unloyal for leaving when the high command literally takes away their freedom...
I'd like to see you counter these points and we'll let the public decide if they're good enough counters.
With, this I'll be leaving the group in a "neutral" phase, at least until you restructure your command and lay down some ground rules *everyone* agrees with as opposed to a couple of higher ups. |
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HateHouse
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| 26 Aug 2017 02:47 PM |
SF is always #1 Thunder is corrupt. #SUPPORT |
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Rathuzen
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| 26 Aug 2017 02:49 PM |
Damn.....OP REALLY hates this group....
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:01 PM |
| omg lol what happened to thunder? I remember him being the a nice HR |
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N_yi
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:05 PM |
Thunder, I've liked you as a friend and as a nice member in the HICOM. But now, and I know you are reading this, you've become corrupt, and selfish toward your own opinon. I support this thread.
LevelSynHD, Colonel of the Combat Assault Team | Head of the CAT Justice Department |
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Tim_3600
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lessors
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lessors
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:16 PM |
level, can u like not, we all know that ur a big fan of thunder and praise him everyday
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:21 PM |
| Lessors, I would respond but I can see how you'd think that. |
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:45 PM |
So, basically, you all rebel because I removed a few people from Discord who were going against the rules of the group that state "NO disrespect"?
Because, that's exactly what I'm seeing here, and it's not a reason to even leave a group over. Ever since my return in July, all I saw was drama and chaos. So, removing privileges of the Special Forces division was a big start, although a hard choice. RobloxPlayer, Joshua, Copper, Level and I all agreed on it.
I aimed my focus on select Special Forces members, because THEY were the ones who started this chaos, and it'll end with them being put under control until they could learn to be nice. The reason I was so harsh, was because I had to be. You don't disrespect fellow members and get away with it, so I took care of the matter. And those demotions given to a certain member, I gave back and apologized for my senselessness, SINCERELY, the same exact night.
For a few months, it's been hell. Now, it'll get so much easier and SO much brighter. Thanks for making our plans come true! Although, we prefer you hadn't left, but stayed and calmed down, OR EVEN talked with me or other High Command members in private to discuss what issues you have.
Sadly, I would have helped you all, but you couldn't help yourselves by stopping the drama.
The Special Forces were ordered to be shut down by multiple HCOM including yourself, Roblox. Instead of objecting and letting us LISTEN to what you have to say, you simply said, "sure".
Now, anyway, we're done here.
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:54 PM |
"So, basically, you all rebel because I removed a few people from Discord who were going against the rules of the group that state "NO disrespect"?"
You didn't remove "a few" people from the discord; you removed over fifteen people whether temporarily or permanently from both the group and the discord for a minor offence such as swearing which as I've proven above is Ironic because YOU broke such rules yourself. Telling Deadguy to "shut the hell up" for stating his own opinions is disrespectful too, hypocrite.
"Because, that's exactly what I'm seeing here, and it's not a reason to even leave a group over. Ever since my return in July, all I saw was drama and chaos. So, removing privileges of the Special Forces division was a big start, although a hard choice. RobloxPlayer, Joshua, Copper, Level and I all agreed on it. "
"all I saw was drama and chaos." That is an over-exaggeration; as I was there before you rejoined and after, you can ask other members this too, the environment was almost identical - however you stirred up yourself, yet again ironically. "So, removing privileges of the Special Forces division was a big start" - you didn't remove privilege, you removed the entire group, knowing full well there'd be a huge chance my members wouldn't return; this was a direct attack on the division and for only the sole reason of "toxicity and disrespect" which you, yourself have shown too. But, as you've stated yourself, CGs are exempt to rules as they can "do whatever we want".
"I aimed my focus on select Special Forces members, because THEY were the ones who started this chaos, and it'll end with them being put under control until they could learn to be nice. The reason I was so harsh, was because I had to be. You don't disrespect fellow members and get away with it, so I took care of the matter. And those demotions given to a certain member, I gave back and apologized for my senselessness, SINCERELY, the same exact night."
"and it'll end with them being put under control" see, yet again, your egotistical behaviour; just because they didn't agree with your ideals and spoke out with their own opinions, you need them to be put under your control, like dogs, so they don't speak anything that goes against your views. Think logically and listen to the majority who speak opinions conflicting with yours. "You don't disrespect fellow members and get away with it" - Further irony from yourself as I have proven in my original post you have disrespected members too and sworn. I have also countered your "apology" argument in the OP so don't try it.
"For a few months, it's been hell. Now, it'll get so much easier and SO much brighter. Thanks for making our plans come true! Although, we prefer you hadn't left, but stayed and calmed down, OR EVEN talked with me or other High Command members in private to discuss what issues you have. "
You are incredibly stupid for admitting, or at least implying that you had plotted against SF from the very beginning. Too bad BEAR saw this post and unallied you, and most likely Atlas will do the same WITH 0% OF MY INFLUENCE. Yes, look around you, and stop being in denial, the public is against you, and unlike you, I bothered to provide proof for my statements. You also can't seem to read since I outlined in my original post why this is to be done in public.
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| 26 Aug 2017 03:58 PM |
While I agree that rules should be enforced more neutrally.
I think it's ridiculous that so many people freaked out over a mistake that was FIXED the same night. People make mistakes, every single person does, it's inevitable. However the people that were involved refused to accept the apology. Then everyone band wagon-ed off of the mistake and over reacted. Which then made the original scenario ten times worse. If everyone who was involved chilled out and let it go, I probably wouldn't be writing this and you would probably still be in CAT.
I also hope you know that SF was only a temporary shutdown. The idea was to reform it, not get rid of it. But once again, everyone freaked out.
While I disagree for your reason of absence, It is ultimately your choice as to what you do. I truly hope you reconsider and join us again. Best of luck my friend
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bedo181
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| 26 Aug 2017 04:01 PM |
Thunder stop acting hard
-Chat shiz get clapped- Bedo 2k17 |
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