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Re: Wars, clans, and everything about it.

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NitroStrike is not online. NitroStrike
Joined: 16 Feb 2009
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08 Aug 2017 05:46 PM
We should have more roleplay wars, but ones that have more decisive battles that you can win and lose. And if you lose you come back and try to win again. Getting knocked down is what determines greatness. If you're not willing to fail and come back you'll never achieve anything great in your life. Everyone has setbacks, how you handle them defines you.

What we need to do is start some sort of war council and make rules for wars and hold clans accountable. This way if somebody cheats everyone in the council will condemn them. Refrees if you will seen from an unbias objective point of view. We need to have fun guys.

Remember joining you first clans a kid, when everything was so new authentic and sleek. When you'd walk into the base and feel like you're apart of something bigger. And feel like what you were doing actually had an impact on other people. Let's go back to that.

We need to stop being so hostile towards losers rubbing it in their face opening up the wound, pouring salt on it, and maybe hitting it with some sort of drink. "5-0," "you're so bad." We need to go back to what makes this game fun.

We still have a chance to fix this. Don't let your pride destroy you, and if you do please don't spread it in this community. Your trolling, and toxicity is ruining this community. Go ahead meme it and copy and paste it I don't care. Just ## #### ## people listen.

We should have more roleplay wars, but ones that have more decisive battles that you can win and lose. And if you lose you come back and try to win again. Getting knocked down is what determines greatness. If you're not willing to fail and come back you'll never achieve anything great in your life. Everyone has setbacks, how you handle them defines you.

Here i'll do it for you.

What we need to do is start some sort of war council and make rules for wars and hold clans accountable. This way if somebody cheats everyone in the council will condemn them. Refrees if you will seen from an unbias objective point of view. We need to have fun guys.

Remember joining you first clans a kid, when everything was so new authentic and sleek. When you'd walk into the base and feel like you're apart of something bigger. And feel like what you were doing actually had an impact on other people. Let's go back to that.

We need to stop being so hostile towards losers rubbing it in their face opening up the wound, pouring salt on it, and maybe hitting it with some sort of drink. "5-0," "you're so bad." We need to go back to what makes this game fun.

We still have a chance to fix this. Don't let your pride destroy you, and if you do please don't spread it in this community. Your trolling, and toxicity is ruining this community. Go ahead meme it and copy and paste it I don't care. Just ## #### ## people listen. Meme or be memed.
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Frostarkz is not online. Frostarkz
Joined: 22 Mar 2011
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08 Aug 2017 05:47 PM
people already tried war council with WCOR
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NitroStrike is not online. NitroStrike
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08 Aug 2017 05:48 PM
I know, we need to do it better. It's the best solution.
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Resizes is not online. Resizes
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08 Aug 2017 05:51 PM
why did you copy and paste again half of your paragraphs lol
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NitroStrike is not online. NitroStrike
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08 Aug 2017 05:52 PM
Meme or be memed.
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Fortizar is not online. Fortizar
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08 Aug 2017 05:53 PM
no


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Resizes is not online. Resizes
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08 Aug 2017 05:53 PM
smart
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ShinobiStatus is not online. ShinobiStatus
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08 Aug 2017 05:58 PM
I remember joining a crappy 30 member clan in 2012, and being really interested in it. Clans should go back to it.


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Darazkil is online. Darazkil
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08 Aug 2017 06:14 PM
"I remember joining a crappy 30 member clan in 2012, and being really interested in it. Clans should go back to it."

My first clan I was serious about was a horribly free modeled Star Wars group that had like 80 members that I joined in 2011. But I remember showing up the base and patrolling all the time, and being so happy every time I got ranked up.

The group was horrible, even as a younger kid I could tell that compared to the other groups out there it was pretty bad, but I enjoyed it because it allowed me to feel like I was part of a legitimate military.

One of the problems clans have now is that a lot of them are sacrificing things like lore, patrolling, roleplay, etc and focusing only on winning wars. It's no wonder it's harder to recruit new players into clans, who wants to join a group of toxic people who don't take things seriously, and get a burst of activity when there's a war then go inactive again after?

More people should do what groups like Edeltia and Reign of Lightning are doing and focus more on roleplay/fun things to do at the base outside of wars, and less on just being some random collection of C&G'ers who want to be able to brag about beating whatever clan is currently considered the best.
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NitroStrike is not online. NitroStrike
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08 Aug 2017 06:17 PM
Most people agree but aren't doing anything about it. Vaktovia is doing ################# as well.
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kroxon is online. kroxon
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08 Aug 2017 06:21 PM
I agree with most of this.

I just don't agree with a standardized council that can arbitrarily decide the outcome of wars and who is at fault in conflicts. Clans shouldn't have a 'council' who controls them or become standardized. The uniquely wild and uncontrolled atmosphere of clans is what makes it fun.
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NitroStrike is not online. NitroStrike
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08 Aug 2017 06:24 PM
The whole idea is that they're more guidelines and officiates.
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ResetQube is not online. ResetQube
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08 Aug 2017 06:25 PM
Starlite would likely be on board with this idea. We were going to do something similar to this, pressing for fair bases and whatnot.

I can see this working fairly well with the correct guidance.

I think we'd all like to see a more balanced and cohesive clan world.
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ResetQube is not online. ResetQube
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08 Aug 2017 06:29 PM
@kroxon

If you'd like, suppose you could think of it as a sort of United Nations for clans.

Clans would still be able to retain their individuality and whatnot, we'd just have proper representation.
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Lapis_Z is online. Lapis_Z
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08 Aug 2017 06:31 PM
I agree with everything except for this part:

"What we need to do is start some sort of war council and make rules for wars and hold clans accountable. This way if somebody cheats everyone in the council will condemn them. Refrees if you will seen from an unbias objective point of view. We need to have fun guys."

Simply condemning people won't actually do anything. I've thought of a council idea myself, but words hold no ground. The council would have to be capable of doing more which would most likely require roblox updates.


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Lapis_Z is online. Lapis_Z
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08 Aug 2017 06:33 PM
You also have to consider that maybe those kids who say "5-0" still even though that's a dead meme are just having fun in their own manner. While I agree with you on it, people's interpretation of fun can be different. Being toxic and sweating over roblox might be fun to some people.


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s_ol is not online. s_ol
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08 Aug 2017 06:35 PM
e-lego geneva convention

im out
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ResetQube is not online. ResetQube
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08 Aug 2017 06:35 PM
@Lapis

Exclusion from the greater clan world would likely be a pretty big punishment.
Suppose you have a clan which starts a war, they're caught cheating or exploiting, the council comes to a decision, their group is banned from all clan places (The ones in the council, anyway) for a month.

This sort of project would require a lot of effort but I can see it working great.
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Lapis_Z is online. Lapis_Z
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08 Aug 2017 06:37 PM
Yes, banning them would work but then you have to worry about public image. With what Nitro's saying, a "council" shouldn't be some sort of dictatorship in a sense, and they also shouldn't ban people if everyone that isn't apart of the council disagrees with it.

And on top of that, banning groups would be the only authority it actually has except for words.


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bulstrode10 is not online. bulstrode10
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08 Aug 2017 06:37 PM
imagine we had a council, but every clan sends 1 representative to be like the clans voice. basically a democracy with clans......kinda
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ResetQube is not online. ResetQube
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08 Aug 2017 06:39 PM
Now, the only problem I can see would be the distinction between genres. Who would be allowed?
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s_ol is not online. s_ol
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08 Aug 2017 06:39 PM
everybody already knows how to conduct a war properly and fairly, they simply choose not to for X reason(s)

if a council cant have a real affect or punishment available to wrongdoers (which it never will) then the whole idea is trivial



put it this way, this idea can go down 2 paths

a.) council has primacy over groups, so leaders/groups have to willingly give up their autonomy to a centralized figure they have no control over (they wont)

b.) council has no real power over groups and can't effectively punish people for X reason






this idea will not work and never has worked for that simple reason
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Lapis_Z is online. Lapis_Z
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08 Aug 2017 06:40 PM
bulstrode that's the most unrealistic thing ever tbh. A council of clans shouldn't be run by representatives but by the leaders themselves. And are you also implying that just any clan leader no matter how inexperienced or how little he's accomplished should be on it? Then you also have to worry about the fact that they have no actual authority over anything. A council would not work.

What MIGHT work though is just an extremely popular clan that shows off the image of what should be done by other clans, but of course what "should be done" is up for interpretation and personal views as well. And since I know somebody's going to say it, VAK is not the one to do this while they still require you to be good to join, and require an application and such.


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Lapis_Z is online. Lapis_Z
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08 Aug 2017 06:42 PM
And in my eyes Edeltia won't either until TCD is off the ground and is ## ###### ## them because bacon hair cadets don't know what a war clan is.
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s_ol is not online. s_ol
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08 Aug 2017 06:43 PM
on top of that, who exactly is the council?

veterans with no affiliation? theyre inactive, incompetent, and still hold biases. WCOR proved that.

leaders sent from clans? now you're looking at 500+ potential council members, all trying to influence the council to help their group in their specific war. and if you only include the "top" clans, you're arbitrarily deciding what clans are excluded from having their voice represented in the council.



i cannot stress enough how absolutely impractical this idea always has been, it's nothing more than wishful thinking
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